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Eieio
November 17th, 2009, 07:21 PM
Guys are these good pricing on the festools??

My buddy sent me the link I told him I did not have a clue can some one take a peak and let me know?

http://www.acetoolonline.com/Festool-s/2017.htm?gclid=COb9u5qjk54CFaM45QodaQpkpA
JasonW
November 17th, 2009, 07:28 PM
All Festool prices are them same no matter who you buy it from. As dealers, they are not allowed to compete on prices. the best you may be able to do is get around shipping costs.

Festool is discontinuing some of there tools in the near future and that is what they are calling it a "sale". Still though, that is offered by all dealers.
WarnerConstInc.
November 17th, 2009, 07:28 PM
Pricing is the same everywhere. No deals to be had, unless they are discontinuing a tool.

Damn you Jason, even posted at the same time!!
JasonW
November 17th, 2009, 07:29 PM
Pricing is the same everywhere. No deals to be had, unless they are discontinuing a tool.

Damn you Jason, even posted at the same time!!

:laugh3::laugh3::laugh3:
Eieio
November 17th, 2009, 07:52 PM
thanks.. Ok so next question.. He wants tools for the guys to use in homes that are occupied. Kitchen and trim work etc..

What's a few good tools to start with or systems and why..
JasonW
November 17th, 2009, 08:01 PM
I'll let Warner go first this time:grin:
WarnerConstInc.
November 18th, 2009, 08:24 PM
thanks.. Ok so next question.. He wants tools for the guys to use in homes that are occupied. Kitchen and trim work etc..

What's a few good tools to start with or systems and why..

He's on a dangerous path there.

Rail saw, table, kapex, kapex table, ct, and some sort of sander.

That's about 5K right there, I didn't include any cool clamps in that price either.
neolitic
November 18th, 2009, 08:42 PM
thanks.. Ok so next question.. He wants tools for the guys to use in homes that are occupied. Kitchen and trim work etc..

What's a few good tools to start with or systems and why..

He's on a dangerous path there.

Rail saw, table, kapex, kapex table, ct, and some sort of sander.

That's about 5K right there, I didn't include any cool clamps in that price either.

The guy could just buy a few rocks
and a pipe......
just cut to the chase. :grin:
ChrWright
November 18th, 2009, 08:50 PM
Warner, have they gotten their sh** together on their HEPA vacs yet for lead safe use?
WarnerConstInc.
November 18th, 2009, 08:51 PM
The guy could just buy a few rocks
and a pipe......
just cut to the chase. :grin:

:laugh3::laugh3::laugh3:

Oh goodness, I laughed so hard my side hurt!!
WarnerConstInc.
November 18th, 2009, 08:55 PM
Warner, have they gotten their sh** together on their HEPA vacs yet for lead safe use?

From what I have been told, by them and a guy that just went through the supervisor abatement course, any vac that has hepa filtration should pass the muster.

The issue that worries some people is that if the Vac needs to be Hepa certified, it would need a hepa filter for the air that cools the motor.

So far everything sounds good. I will drop Rick an email this week.
ChrWright
November 18th, 2009, 08:59 PM
A shop vac with a HEPA filter will NOT satisfy the new requirements.
JasonW
November 18th, 2009, 09:02 PM
Isn't it all based on Micron size?
ChrWright
November 18th, 2009, 09:05 PM
As it was taught in the Certified Renovator class, it must be a HEPA vacuum.... not just a shop vac with a HEPA filter.
WarnerConstInc.
November 18th, 2009, 09:07 PM
As it was taught in the Certified Renovator class, it must be a HEPA vacuum.... not just a shop vac with a HEPA filter.

Well then a CT is a HEPA vac, it was designed and manufactured that way.

Only issue I see is the air to cool the motor, that would make it in another catagory that most could not afford.
ChrWright
November 18th, 2009, 09:15 PM
The HEPA vac I saw in class today didn't look any more heavy duty that the CT vacs. Had an internal bag and a large HEPA filter that fit the entire top where the air exhausted.
WarnerConstInc.
November 18th, 2009, 09:15 PM
Here is a link to some 'lead' hepa vacs.

Seem similar, if not lacking in few things compared to a CT-22.

http://www.spycor.com/Lead_Cleanup_Vacuums_s/185.htm
WarnerConstInc.
November 18th, 2009, 09:16 PM
The HEPA vac I saw in class today didn't look any more heavy duty that the CT vacs. Had an internal bag and a large HEPA filter that fit the entire top where the air exhausted.

Right, do you understand what I was getting at with filtering the air that is drawn in to cool the motor? That air has nothing to do with the exhaust air of the vac.
JasonW
November 18th, 2009, 09:16 PM
This is the one I have.

http://www.festoolusa.com/products/dust-extractors/ct-33-dust-extractor-specs-583368.html
WarnerConstInc.
November 18th, 2009, 09:18 PM
I have the CT-22, same specs as the 33, onlt difference is weight and capacity. 22 liters vs. 33.
JasonW
November 18th, 2009, 09:23 PM
Weather or not it's qualified for lead removal, This thing works just like you would expect it to or better.

Don't get the tools without the Vac. It's a system that saves a lot of time and aggravation. You won't see the full benefit of that if you only go half way.
ChrWright
November 18th, 2009, 09:26 PM
Right, do you understand what I was getting at with filtering the air that is drawn in to cool the motor? That air has nothing to do with the exhaust air of the vac.

On the unit I saw... there were intakes on the top for cooling---but ALL air exiting the vac went through the HEPA filter.
WarnerConstInc.
November 18th, 2009, 09:33 PM
On the unit I saw... there were intakes on the top for cooling---but ALL air exiting the vac went through the HEPA filter.

If that is the way it has to be, I will be one pissed off person. I don't want to buy another 700-1000 vac, especially because it will not be easy to use with my damn tools.

I will look at my CT tomarrow but, I believe the motor cooling exhaust air does not get filtered. Maybe I can install one, or Festool can engineer on really quick.
WarnerConstInc.
November 18th, 2009, 09:37 PM
Look at the last part of this article:
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/c4a98112.html
JasonW
November 18th, 2009, 09:41 PM
On the unit I saw... there were intakes on the top for cooling---but ALL air exiting the vac went through the HEPA filter.
Intakes are on the sides of these units and all air does exit through a separate hepa filter at the top.

The dust collection bag handles everything larger than 1 micron and the hepa filter cleans up the rest.
ChrWright
November 18th, 2009, 09:44 PM
Intakes are on the sides of these units and all air does exit through a separate hepa filter at the top.

The dust collection bag handles everything larger than 1 micron and the hepa filter cleans up the rest.

I was planning on getting a CT for this, and I'm assuming all went well with their equipment at the lab. HEPA vacuums are required on sanders and saws in the workspace as part of the lead safe requirements as well.
WarnerConstInc.
November 18th, 2009, 09:47 PM
Chris, did it look like one of these?
http://www.spycor.com/Lead_Cleanup_Vacuums_s/185.htm
WarnerConstInc.
November 18th, 2009, 09:48 PM
What about the blower door on the bottom of the left side, facing the on/off switch.

Dang it, I am going to have to get mine out of my trailer now and look.
ChrWright
November 18th, 2009, 09:50 PM
Was this guy I think:

http://www.pullman-holt.com/files/PDFs/390ASB1%20040105.pdf
WarnerConstInc.
November 18th, 2009, 10:02 PM
Was this guy I think:

http://www.pullman-holt.com/files/PDFs/390ASB1%20040105.pdf

The individual testing thing on the filters is what festool was having done.

If they meet that they should have a winner.

In Festool's cataloge it says their hepa's get 99.99% as well.