Clamps for glue ups?

[JasonW]

I'm having a lot of trouble with the bar clamps I'm using right now for some major glue ups. I have a local guy helping me out and he has a lot of Bessey clamps. These things are working great!

I'm about to pull the trigger on about 20 of these; http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2021009/25230/REVO-Fixed-Jaw-Parallel-Clamp--31--Pair.aspx.

Before I do I thought I might ask the wood workers here if they're using something else that might be more cost affective and equally good.

[framer55]

I'm having a lot of trouble with the bar clamps I'm using right now for some major glue ups. I have a local guy helping me out and he has a lot of Bessey clamps. These things are working great!

I'm about to pull the trigger on about 20 of these; http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2021009/25230/REVO-Fixed-Jaw-Parallel-Clamp--31--Pair.aspx.

Before I do I thought I might ask the wood workers here if they're using something else that might be more cost affective and equally good.

Jason, have you considered asking over at Knots, the woodworking magizines forum??
Just go to Taunton.com and go ask the question at knots.
Personally I have Bessy's(sp).:)

[neolitic]

We'll see what Leo's got to say
on the subject.
Bessys and Pony pipe clamps are
as good as it gets for me.
The Pony's have the advantage of
being the same cost no matter
how long the pipe. :grin:

[WarnerConstInc.]

The Bessy's are the best.
Pony's are nice to have to.
Bow clamps are pretty cool.

I think the Woodcraft brand clamps are bessy's.

[JasonW]

The particular glue up I'm doing right now is gluing a 5/4" x 4 1/2" board to the face of a 5/4" x 8" board. The Bessey clamp reaches almost all the way across the 4 1/2" board and holds pressure all the way across unlike the bar clamps that only hold pressure at small points of the clamp. I would need twice as many clamps to do what the Bessey clamps do.

I threw out 3 irwin bar clamps tonight because they striped out. Seems to justify the cost to me.

[WarnerConstInc.]

Use culls.

[JasonW]

Use culls.

I do.........

[WarnerConstInc.]

Well then, buy the bessey's!!

[JasonW]

I gotta wait for Leo's blessing.:laugh3:

Were the hell is he????:mad2:

[J F]

I've got a few (12?) of the bessey k body clamps in various sizes and have always been happy with them...most of 'em are probably 8 years old or so, so haven't been keeping aware of what's new as they've always worked well for me.

[naptownCr]

The bessy are good but my personal preference are the pony's As Neo Said they are the same price no matter the length and provide a solid base to keep the material from bowing up at the glue joint.

[JasonW]

The bessy are good but my personal preference are the pony's As Neo Said they are the same price no matter the length and provide a solid base to keep the material from bowing up at the glue joint.

The big difference I see is that pipe clamp only hold down 1" from the edge. It's hard to get in the middle of a 8" wide glue up unless you use 2 clamps and a cull. Even with that you might need a third clamp in the middle of the cull for those stubborn situations; when the board doesn't want to cooperate.

[naptownCr]

Jorgensens are the best for that application. I thought you were gluing up panels on edge or face frames. If not too wide I will use the vise grip clamps also.

[JasonW]

20-31" bessey's on the way. Pulled the trigger...

[J F]

you'll like 'em .... a lot

[WarnerConstInc.]

20-31" bessey's on the way. Pulled the trigger...

Ohhhhh, I want to see a picture of clamp porn then!!

I have 2 of the jorgenson cabinet master clamps, not as nice as the K body's or the revo's.

[JasonW]

"you'll like 'em .... a lot "

I already do. Nice when you get the chance to take them for a test drive before you buy :2thumbsup:

[Leo G]

Where the heck did my post go? I should have been post 11

I only have Pony clamps in the shop. I do lots of glue ups and really don't have to many problems. I'm sure it is alignment you are dealing with. If you ecpect to get perfect alignment, forget it, not going to happen. Within a 64th should be attainable.

Whenever I do glue ups I will face my stock and run it through the planer to get it true. Then you have less fighting of the waves in the board.

I'm to cheap to own Bessy's.

[WarnerConstInc.]

I'm to cheap to own Bessy's.

Duh!! We should have known that!:laugh3:

And it's too cheap, 2 o's.

[Leo G]

F the spelling police

[JasonW]

Leo,

If you weren't so cheap, would you buy the Bessey clamps?:laugh3:;)

[WarnerConstInc.]

F the spelling police

Hey now!!:mad2:

Leo,

If you weren't so cheap, would you buy the Bessey clamps?:laugh3:;)

And he would buy one of those vac's he keeps sneaking in his pictures!!

[Leo G]

I have 60 pipe clamps in the shop. Most of them are 36" (clampable space) and have some 5' 7' and 10'ers. At those prices I would have spent a mint.

I get the pipe clamps for about $7 ($9 now) and black pipe is about a buck a foot. Economical and workable. Every once in a while I would like some deep reach clamps. You need to prepare your stock correctly and you will end up with a flat glue up.

[Leo G]

And he would buy one of those vac's he keeps sneaking in his pictures!!

One freak'n picture, and I did it on purpose for you. Sheezzz:mad2:

[J F]

I've got a pipe clamp, maybe 120" I used one time, hanging on the ceiling of the shop for 9-10 years, collecting cobwebs...only pipe clamps I ever used (yeah, I know, fvkn noob).

[Bender]

You need to prepare your stock correctly and you will end up with a flat glue up.

Right. Reverse the grain.

[Leo G]

I don't follow that theory.

By preparing your stock correctly I mean....

Face your stock to have a true flat face.

Plane it so it is an even thickness.

Joint each meeting edge, flipping the board over so you have compementary angles in case the jointer is slightly out of square.

Apply equal pressure with the clamps. If you have to really tighten them down something is wrong, the boards should fit snug with light clamping pressure.

If you glue up your board and it has a slight curve in the clamps you will have a glue up with a curve. Check the board with a straight edge and adjust the clamping pressures to get the flattest glue up.

You need to put clamps on both sides of the board to balance out the pressures.

[neolitic]

Duh!! We should have known that!:laugh3:

And it's too cheap, 2 o's.

He's too cheap for two "o"s. :grin:

[Leo G]

Every press of the keyboard means I'm that much closer to replacing the letter "O".

[neolitic]

Every press of the keyboard means I'm that much closer to replacing the letter "O".

:laugh4::laugh4:

[Leo G]

Were the hell is he????:mad2:

He was working until 8pm

[nEighter]

has NO ONE told Basswood bout this site???????

[Leo G]

I didn't tell him. I was afraid he would tell every painter on all the forums.

[EIEIO]

I didn't tell him. I was afraid he would tell every painter on all the forums.

I like basswood.. not sure how I feel about more painters :laugh3:

[Leo G]

Bass seems like a great guy. He rarely posts on CT and I think it is because he is busy. Giving him another forum to post on will probably dilute his postings.

We got Gus over here for a few minutes and haven't seen him since. Wonder why?

[naptownCr]

I think Gus is taking his moderating duties very seriously.

[Leo G]

And???? I moderate two forums and am a member of 6 (or is it 7). I can be in three places at once. I think he just ditched us.

You can blame it on me. I intimidate him. :laugh4:

[WarnerConstInc.]

And???? I moderate two forums and am a member of 6 (or is it 7). I can be in three places at once. I think he just ditched us.

You can blame it on me. I intimidate him. :laugh4:

He is afraid of someone that makes thier own doors and drawers!!

[Winchester]

I'm having a lot of trouble with the bar clamps I'm using right now for some major glue ups. I have a local guy helping me out and he has a lot of Bessey clamps. These things are working great!

I'm about to pull the trigger on about 20 of these; http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2021009/25230/REVO-Fixed-Jaw-Parallel-Clamp--31--Pair.aspx.

Before I do I thought I might ask the wood workers here if they're using something else that might be more cost affective and equally good.

I've got some irwins that look like that :laugh3:

[nEighter]

:( all this talk about painters..

[JasonW]

I'm using every clamp I got right now and everyone I can borrow!:surrender:
Add: This is just one stack in the shop, I have another one going as well. I think I counted 58 clamps in use today.

This is what I'm making out of it. http://www.remodelcrazy.com/forum/showthread.php?p=32635#post32635

[JasonW]

I shouldn't have a shortage of clamps anytime soon. Now I need to build a rack for them:surrender:

[naptownCr]

There are two things in life one just can't have
too much fun
too many clamps

[neolitic]

I shouldn't have a shortage of clamps anytime soon. Now I need to build a rack for them:surrender:

Mmmmm, I love that "new clamp" smell! http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/neoliticman/smilieclap.gif

[Splinter]

Are those the new Bessey Revo's? Or did you go all Leo and buy the cheaper Peachtree knockoffs?

I have a couple dozen of the old style Bessey K-body's, and I bought some of the Peachtree clamps when someone pointed out a sale on another woodworking forum. The Besseys are great, the Peachtrees are junk. It doesnt take much pressure for them to start slipping on the bar.

My clamp rack isnt mobile... I just hung a 3" strip of 3/4" ply about 4" off the wall. I can practically toss the clamps up onto the bar and they stay.

I cant afford any floorspace for a mobile clamprack, my shop is too small already.

[WarnerConstInc.]

New clamps and a CT hose in the same picture!!

Ahhhh, heaven.

[JasonW]

Are those the new Bessey Revo's?

Yup, 20 - 31" clamps:grin:

[JasonW]

New clamps and a CT hose in the same picture!!

Ahhhh, heaven.

Life is good!:2thumbsup:

[naptownCr]

New clamps and a CT hose in the same picture!!

Ahhhh, heaven.


?????:mad2:

[neolitic]

?????:mad2:

Think there's a green button
at the end of the hose....

[naptownCr]

Think there's a green button
at the end of the hose....
Got it thanks
I should have known

[JasonW]

Think there's a green button
at the end of the hose....

We have a winner!:guitarist::balloon::jester::party2:

[J F]

:2thumbsup:

neo, the ct is a festoolian vac...see it at the end of the hose here? (it's like finding waldo, sorry).

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv135/Jay123_bucket/Shop/151d9d4e.jpg

[WarnerConstInc.]

Those poor tools, they need a work out!!

[J F]

yes they do...hopefully after the first of the year when I can get back at it, currently working on these drawings...just have to see how terribly expensive I am :rolleyes3:


http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv135/Jay123_bucket/Drawings/a91b735c.jpg

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv135/Jay123_bucket/Drawings/277020c8.jpg

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv135/Jay123_bucket/Drawings/d2460044.jpg

First carpentry project I've even looked at since spring...doh

[JasonW]

I should have done this a while ago :2thumbsup:

[Allrounder]

I shouldn't have a shortage of clamps anytime soon. Now I need to build a rack for them:surrender:

You'd better buy more clamps so that you have enough of them to clamp your clamp racks together!

[Bodger]

I have about 20 Bessey K-Body clamps from ten years ago or so.

Are these new ones Jason has the next generation of those clamps? Are they improved?

[JasonW]

I have about 20 Bessey K-Body clamps from ten years ago or so.

Are these new ones Jason has the next generation of those clamps? Are they improved?

Yes these are the new Revo's and while they are improved and hold up to 1500 lbs of tension, they still have the tendency to slide down the bar and hit your hand.

Gary Katz told me he uses these http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=11417&source=googleps and they don't hit your hand when you use them. I might get a few just to see if I like them any better.

[J F]

I should have done this a while ago :2thumbsup:

We're going to have to start call you clampman pretty soon.

[Bodger]

Yes these are the new Revo's and while they are improved and hold up to 1500 lbs of tension, they still have the tendency to slide down the bar and hit your hand.

Gary Katz told me he uses these http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=11417&source=googleps and they don't hit your hand when you use them. I might get a few just to see if I like them any better.


Wow, Gary Katz. I read one of his books years ago when I had....wait for it...
a set of double-dutch doors to install. I nearly went crazy.

I love the K-Body clamp. I never minded the sliding. Got used to it.

Not much cabinetry in my life anymore. I used to make a lot of Shaker stuff with rail and stile and flat panel doors. I miss that work a lot.

[neolitic]

Wow, Gary Katz. I read one of his books years ago when I had....wait for it...
a set of double-dutch doors to install. I nearly went crazy.

I love the K-Body clamp. I never minded the sliding. Got used to it.

Not much cabinetry in my life anymore. I used to make a lot of Shaker stuff with rail and stile and flat panel doors. I miss that work a lot.

But not as much as the castanets?

[Bodger]

But not as much as the castanets?


Sometimes I miss making those damn clackers. They were knuckle-busting work though.
And not much profit.
Most of my orders came from some pretty hot women who were doing the Flamenco thang.