Would remodelers find value in this?

[bikerboy]

May be adding a few niche services to our paint offerings. Since you guys are remodelers am wondering if you would find these services useful?

Tub refinishing. We can come in and refinish old tubs that are worn or just some nasty old color. Can also coat the tile surround. If you have somebody trying to cut some costs, this may help. Three to six hundread dollars.

2 . E-barrier coatings. A way for people to save money on energy bills. Here is some liturature.

[WHAT IS RADIANT ENERGY?
Simply put, radiant energy is energy that comes in waves from the sun. When those
“waves” strike the roof of a home or a building, the roof absorbs that heat, creating
increased temperatures in the attic, which is eventually transferred throughout the
building. On warm days, this radiant heat results in increased air conditioning costs.
On cool days, radiant energy comes from an inside source, like a furnace, and escapes
through the attic. So heat and energy costs are actually going out the roof.
This transfer of energy is measured as emissivity. The lower the emissivity or e-rating,
the better the product is at preventing radiant heat energy from entering or leaving the
building. E-Barrier has a low emissivity rating.

HOW DOES E-BARRIER SAVE YOUR CUSTOMERS MONEY?
Whether there’s radiant heat coming into a house or going out, your customers are
paying more than they should. When E-Barrier is applied to the underside of attic roof
decking or to previously coated commercial decking, it creates a barrier that reflects
radiant energy, helping to prevent it from entering or leaving the building. E-Barrier
reduces heating and cooling costs by as much as 15% as certified by an independent
testing laboratory*. You can offer your customers:

+ Lower utility costs and increased thermal comfort – Your customers will see and
feel the rewards of their investment.
+ Durability – E-Barrier lasts long, with little to no maintenance.
+ Ease of cleanup –Cleans up with soap and water, with no special chemicals or
cleaners needed.
+ Breathability – Damaging moisture won’t be trapped in wood substrates.
*Energy Savings will vary depending on building materials, home location and conditions.



Just want your feedback.:grin:

[orson]

I use tub refinishing here and there, it's a great option for a budget remodel.

If you could also do acrylic and gel coat repairs you'd be a great one stop tub repair/reface solution for bathroom remodelers.

The radiant barrier paint and the ceramic paint additives are always something of interest although I still haven't seen conclusive data based evidence of their efficacy.

[bikerboy]

I could be the Tubby Tub man!

[bikerboy]

And yes I can do them. (repairs ) If you know the tub manufaturer and color, we can do an exact match.

[Bender]

I think the tub thing would work.

I cant get my head around the barrier. If it was such a great idea it should have ballooned into a 'thing' by now.

Just dedicate a small pump to tubs only?

[bikerboy]

I think the tub thing would work.

I cant get my head around the barrier. If it was such a great idea it should have ballooned into a 'thing' by now.

Just dedicate a small pump to tubs only?

I'd think you would want a rig just for that. Since most of the tub coatings are epoxies or polyureathanes.

[Eieio]

I am curious about the radiant barrier.. Got some more info??

[angus242]

I'd think you would want a rig just for that. Since most of the tub coatings are epoxies or polyureathanes.

Yes, I believe the equipment to do this is specialized and fairly expensive. Also, ventilation is a big deal while applying. You may need more equipment to contain/exhaust the fumes.

From what I'm told, preparation is everything when it comes to a successful job.

[Bender]

I am curious about the radiant barrier.. Got some more info??

For you... N0

[orson]

I have yet to see anyone ventilate their recoat.

Usually just shut the door, run the fan and enter at your own risk.

My dad used the radiant barrier paint in his 1800's row home since it is just plaster on brick.

He also used a ceramic bead product that you add to the paint, it is supposedly an insulating technology they used on the space shuttle according to their advertising, however, I did a job for a retired NASA engineer and he told me that although they were approached with the technology they never purchased or used it.

[bikerboy]

I am curious about the radiant barrier.. Got some more info??

http://www.sherwin-williams.com/pro/sherwin_williams_paint/products/ebarrier/index.jsp

http://www.customdesignersinc.com/7.html

http://www.diychatroom.com/blogs/energy-savings-ebarrier-82/

[Blue]

http://www.sharpporcelain.com/Prices.htm

[fez-head]

I think tub, toilet, sink and tile refinishing would go over good updating rentals and homes for sale.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vhbFEcfjqy4/R1XAb2qsNZI/AAAAAAAABq8/g4ZIrx4e63Y/s320/bathroom6.jpg

[orson]

I think tub, toilet, sink and tile refinishing would go over good updating rentals and homes for sale.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vhbFEcfjqy4/R1XAb2qsNZI/AAAAAAAABq8/g4ZIrx4e63Y/s320/bathroom6.jpg

Are you implying there is something wrong with this bathroom? :stunned:

[fez-head]

http://www.sharpporcelain.com/Prices.htm

good info right there :2thumbsup:. I will beat any of his prices by 10% :)

[fez-head]

Are you implying there is something wrong with this bathroom? :stunned:

Hell no - I am hoping you can make mine look like that. That's Hot.

[orson]

I would be very cautious about touting the virtues of the reflective paint. It seems to be most effective for preventing some radiant heat transfer into attic spaces in hot sunny weather.

I think their 15% is based on a simulation of a house on the planet Mercury at high noon.

The other spot it would probably be very helpful for is a reflective primer behind and aroudn radiators.

[OGStilts]

Where's N8R. I think he had info on this stuff on his website. Maybe he has experience with it. You guys got me curious about it now.

[orson]

[WHAT IS RADIANT ENERGY?
Simply put, radiant energy is energy that comes in waves from the sun When those
“waves” strike the roof of a home or a building, the roof absorbs that heat, creating
increased temperatures in the attic, which is eventually transferred throughout the
building. On warm days, this radiant heat results in increased air conditioning costs.
On cool days, radiant energy comes from an inside source, like a furnace, and escapes
through the attic.


Incidentally, these statements are incomplete/misleading and misleading to false respectively. If you're going to try to sell this paint you may want to brush up on what radiant heat is and is not. Here is a good place to start... radiant barrier (http://www.energysavers.gov/your_home/insulation_airsealing/index.cfm/mytopic=11680)

[bconley]

I would focus on just painting.

Tried and true and everybody needs it eventually.

[Dusty]

I offered tub refinishing. Yes there is a market for it. I didn't find tub refinishing very satisfying I perfer to refinish countertops and tiles.

It cost about $1,200 to get rocking at refinishing. If you already have a 3 stage turbine HPLV and a good gun your 1/2 way there.

Do not purchase a CapSpray gun. I have had a lot of problems with mine and Modern claims that he burned through 2 of them that he was unhappy with.

And yes you do need a good ventilation system because most refinishing products contain isocyanates. I won't touch an occupied house until I have a good vent. system. I have laid off of the refinishing for the winter months because of the fumes. A house needs to be warm for the products to cure properly and that is hard to accomplish in 20 degree temps. with a bunch of fans in the windows.

[naptownCr]

Are you implying there is something wrong with this bathroom? :stunned:

Other than it made me throw up in my mouth no It's georgous

Hell no - I am hoping you can make mine look like that. That's Hot.
Fez we need to have a long talk with Dr Phil and the remodiling style police.

OK my take on the energy stuff
A radiant barrier in the attic to prevent heat build up in the summer on the upper floor may work with a properly vented attic.
A radient barrier that is not reflective (read shiny) with at least a 3/4" airspace in front will not do much for anything. Painting over a reflective barrier which is what you are talking about will defeat the purpose.

[Dusty]

I would focus on just painting.

Tried and true and everybody needs it eventually.

Every business owner should be diversified. Why should he limit himself to just painting when he can fill his customers other refinishing needs?

Not to mention the fact that the offering of another refinishing product/service can only compliment the services he already offers and help build his business.

[bconley]

Every business owner should be diversified. Why should he limit himself to just painting when he can fill his customers other refinishing needs?

Not to mention the fact that the offering of another refinishing product/service can only compliment the services he already offers and help build his business.

I don't believe every business owner should be diversified.
If he starts doing hokey jobs like tub and tile refinishing, I don't think he will see his full potential of being the painter in town who everyone turns to when they need paint,
Maybe under a different company name. but for something like painting I think you're better off specializing.
Since you guys are remodelers am wondering if you would find these services useful?
No, I'm looking to sell a replacement or upgrade not painted porcelain

[bikerboy]

I would focus on just painting.

Tried and true and everybody needs it eventually.

It is painting. These products are sprayed, brushed and rolled. (although a brushed tub finish......) It's just outside the norm. Not looking to replace painting, just augment it.

Also am looking at a spray (or brush) on tub protection. It's a rubberized chemical that goes on 15-20 mils thick. Protects the tub from scratches, paint, mud. You can stand on it. When the job is done, clean up crew just peels it out. A whole lot cheaper to protect it from the start, then to replace/repair it.

[bikerboy]

I don't believe every business owner should be diversified.
If he starts doing hokey jobs like tub and tile refinishing, I don't think he will see his full potential of being the painter in town who everyone turns to when they need paint,
Maybe under a different company name. but for something like painting I think you're better off specializing.

No, I'm looking to sell a replacement or upgrade not painted porcelain

We have a decent business already. We are looking at two things with these offerings.

1. "DO you want some fries with that?" McDonalds 101. We want to add value and capture every dollar through extra services. Not unlike you do.

2. Build our customer base through the niche. You may have a painter, but they don't offer tub protection, or refinishing. Knowing how painters are held in high esteem, your current guy may screw up and you get rid of him. So while you are thinking, a bulb goes off. "That guy that does the tub stuff paints. I'll check him out."

It would be providing services while indirectly marketing. Am looking into several niches. A couple apply more to builders, and a couple apply more towards homeowners. In the end the idea is the same. Adding value through added services, earning a few extra dollars and growing the customer base through diversafication.

Am still hip to any comments. And do appreciate all of them so far.

[fez-head]

1. "DO you want some fries with that?" McDonalds 101. We want to add value and capture every dollar through extra services. Not unlike you do.

:2thumbsup::2thumbsup::2thumbsup:

[nEighter]

I am curious about the radiant barrier.. Got some more info??

Where's N8R. I think he had info on this stuff on his website. Maybe he has experience with it. You guys got me curious about it now.

Yep, I actually have it on my own place. It is a dirty damn job. You need extensions for your tip, and rake for moving insulation around. It does work though.

I found that I don't pick up heat during the day like I used to (noticeable during the winter AND summer) but at around 4:30-6:00 there is a transfer of heat from within the house and it just FEELS better than it used to (winter) and summer the place doesn't heat up like it used to.. and at night it just feels GOOD inside.. It is hard to explain. In winter my heat won't come on for a few hours at night right after the sun goes down and the climate inside is just really nice.

:2thumbsup::2thumbsup::2thumbsup:

yep, niches are great :) I have given out Radiant Barrier Coating brochures for the last 4 yrs with all estimates.

[orson]

Also am looking at a spray (or brush) on tub protection. It's a rubberized chemical that goes on 15-20 mils thick. Protects the tub from scratches, paint, mud. You can stand on it. When the job is done, clean up crew just peels it out. A whole lot cheaper to protect it from the start, then to replace/repair it.

I've used the tub protection product before, just make sure you give the builder a heads up that epoxies chemically bond to the rubber and make it really hard to peel off where, for example, epoxy grout is sitting on the rubber. I just about had a heart attack before I managed to pry the first piece of superstuck expoxy/rubber off.

[naptownCr]

Yep, I actually have it on my own place. It is a dirty damn job. You need extensions for your tip, and rake for moving insulation around. It does work though.

I found that I don't pick up heat during the day like I used to (noticeable during the winter AND summer) but at around 4:30-6:00 there is a transfer of heat from within the house and it just FEELS better than it used to (winter) and summer the place doesn't heat up like it used to.. and at night it just feels GOOD inside.. It is hard to explain. In winter my heat won't come on for a few hours at night right after the sun goes down and the climate inside is just really nice.



yep, niches are great :) I have given out Radiant Barrier Coating brochures for the last 4 yrs with all estimates.

Nate can you further explain the system you used? I'm very curious what you used and how effective it is.

[fez-head]

Yep, I actually have it on my own place. It is a dirty damn job. You need extensions for your tip, and rake for moving insulation around. It does work though.

I found that I don't pick up heat during the day like I used to (noticeable during the winter AND summer) but at around 4:30-6:00 there is a transfer of heat from within the house and it just FEELS better than it used to (winter) and summer the place doesn't heat up like it used to.. and at night it just feels GOOD inside.. It is hard to explain. In winter my heat won't come on for a few hours at night right after the sun goes down and the climate inside is just really nice.

yep, niches are great :) I have given out Radiant Barrier Coating brochures for the last 4 yrs with all estimates.

The Sherwin Williams Rep took us out for lunch today and i asked him about that radiant barrier paint. He said in the Southwest it is a REALLY big deal and they too use it in attics allot. He said in this area we get enough cloudy days it is not really a big energy saver but will make things a little more comfortable none the less.

He took us to lunch in order to pitch their acoustical ceiling tile/diffuser cleaning and painting products to us for the restaurants. That may also be a good ad on to a painting business. It will be a good up sell for us as well.

[bconley]

I would be interested in the tub protection, the only time I need to call a tub refinisher is when there is damage from the trades.

I've used that blue brush on stuff it works pretty well.

You have to be careful it gives the trades a false sense of security when things are covered and they are not as careful as they would be otherwise.

Sorry I'm not a believer in the tub tile refinishing products.

Don't know much about the reflective barrier to comment.

One the better painters in my area has started up a handyman division, that seems to be working out well for him.
You know, "while you are here can you...."

IMO that would be the best direction to go if you want to offer more services.

At least it is something that everyone can relate to.

I still believe it is better to have as a different division or entity if possible.

[rselectric1]

All I know about tub refinishing is that I agreed to do it on one job with no ventilation, then the next morning I was a member of RC.

That's all I remember.

JK

[Dusty]

Sorry I'm not a believer in the tub tile refinishing products..

These product have come a long way and are quite durable. Don't discount them. They need to be taken care of just like any other product. Infact refinished tile is much easier to maintain then tile itself.

[naptownCr]

If you want to know about tub protection RCP is an expert I have been told.

http://www.protectiveproducts.com/scratch.html

Scroll to the bottom of the page

[bconley]

If you want to know about tub protection RCP is an expert I have been told.

http://www.protectiveproducts.com/scratch.html

Scroll to the bottom of the page

Thanks,
Yes I've seen that video, and have also used that product, but just brushed it on.
What I should have said was I would buy that product from a painter if offered to me.