It's clean..It's clean

[Leo G]

Had a new client come by today so I had to make the shop all purty.

Might as well keep a record of it. It is not to often it is this clean.

http://fototime.com/D836C439D235A33/orig.jpg

[Eieio]

I think I see a coke can in the back ground

[Leo G]

Far far left out of the picture there is a box of coke cans. But none in view. Good try though.

[Eieio]

Far far left out of the picture there is a box of coke cans. But none in view. Good try though.


That is pretty clean.. That must be one hell of a client

[neolitic]

Can't fool me,
it's PhotoShopped.

[JasonW]

It's a good feeling when the shop is cleaned and organized. Looks good Leo!

I started chipping away at mine this week.

[Leo G]

Can't fool me,
it's PhotoShopped.:rolleyes3:

Its the real deal. That's why I took the photo. If I just said I cleaned the shop without photographic proof, who here would have believed me.


I don't even think I would :laugh3:

[naptownCr]

Bad move
Now they think you don't ever do anything.
there has to be some dirt and disorganization for people to thnk work actually happens there. Now they think you buy your cabinets from Home Depot and the shop is just a ruse to suck them in.

[Leo G]

The other side has a kitchen full of Cherry uppers, I showed them my spray room with a drying room full of drawers fronts and shelves.

I think they might figure I still work wood.

[naptownCr]

The other side has a kitchen full of Cherry uppers, I showed them my spray room with a drying room full of drawers fronts and shelves.

I think they might figure I still work wood.

At your age?
shame on you!

[J F]

I think I see a coke can in the back ground

I saw a little coke in the background too...but not the stuff you're talkin' about....shame on you leo :mad:

[Leo G]

The other side has a kitchen full of Cherry uppers, I showed them my spray room with a drying room full of drawers fronts and shelves.

I think they might figure I still work wood.

At your age?
shame on you!


Shame? Are you kidding? That means I still got it.:2thumbsup:

[naptownCr]

Shame? Are you kidding? That means I still got it.:2thumbsup:

After some additional thought you go boy!

[Splinter]

Ugh... I just threw up in my mouth a little..


Old men... Bah!

[Leo G]

Why don't you bring your shop over to mine. We'll store it over in a corner. It won't get in the way.

[WarnerConstInc.]

I work mine at least once a day.......oh, uh well.

[Leo G]

All roads lead back to the mango tree.

Allen Harper - 2 1/2 Men

[Splinter]

Why don't you bring your shop over to mine. We'll store it over in a corner. It won't get in the way.

Have I told you lately that I hate you?



y'know, it only costs me about $1/day to keep my shop at 68 degrees... What did you spend on propane this month? :grin:

[Leo G]

I hate you too.

http://fototime.com/8BFB47AD84333D3/orig.gif

[kornerking]

a clean shop is a sign of a warped mind. sprinkle a little sawdust. Pleeeeeeeeeze,

[nEighter]

I am soooo disappointed in each and every one of you. So she DID want the aquarium stand after all eh?

What other kind of client would he be trying to impress? :D


btw Leo :thumbsup:

[Leo G]

I am soooo disappointed in each and every one of you. So she DID want the aquarium stand after all eh?

What other kind of client would he be trying to impress? :D


btw Leo :thumbsup:

Haven't heard hid nor hair from her since I gave her the price. So much for wanting to use local talent. Price trumps everything. I gave her a price of about $1300 for a nice stylish cabinet that would support the aquarium.

She was probably thinking in WalMart terms of $300.

[Leo G]

a clean shop is a sign of a warped mind. sprinkle a little sawdust. Pleeeeeeeeeze,

Shouldn't be that much of a stretch.

Did you know that OSHA rules says that if you can see a foot print on the floor you have to much sawdust in the shop. So, basically, that means you cannot have any sawdust what-so-ever escape any machine.

•So if you sand without a vacuum - out of compliance

•Route without a vacuum - out of compliance

•Don't have a tablesaw with a topside vacuum pickup - out of compliance

•Sawdust escapes from a shaper when the board finishes up - out of compliance


Even my shop, as clean as it looks would be shot down by an OSHA inspector because I did not sweep the walls and ceiling.

[Bodger]

..oh Meester Leo...ees so clean! No basura es muy bueno...

Donde est la palo duro por favor?


How much would her aquarium stand cost? :laugh3::laugh3:


http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt10/dingoff/boobs.jpg

[PA Woodbutcher]

..oh Meester Leo...ees so clean! No basura es muy bueno...

Donde est la palo duro por favor?


How much would her aquarium stand cost? :laugh3::laugh3:


http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt10/dingoff/boobs.jpg

If she wanted to stand around and watch me work with wood, probably cheap.

Shop looks great Leo, how are you going to find anything?

[Leo G]

Price is still the same, but I can take my shirt off while I work.


How about you?

[Bodger]

I'd build a nice locking cabinet to keep her in.

Whilst I went shopping for fava beans and a nice Chianti. :grin:

[Leo G]

I'd just lock her in the spray room. Some lacquer fumes to keep her subdued, take her out when I needed something http://fototime.com/76D63ADE8141E9C/orig.gif

[Bodger]

I'd just lock her in the spray room. Some lacquer fumes to keep her subdued, take her out when I needed something http://fototime.com/76D63ADE8141E9C/orig.gif


Date spray. :laugh3:

[PA Woodbutcher]

Haven't heard hid nor hair from her since I gave her the price. So much for wanting to use local talent. Price trumps everything. I gave her a price of about $1300 for a nice stylish cabinet that would support the aquarium.

She was probably thinking in WalMart terms of $300.

Had a guy asking about a tv stand for his father. looking for red oak. Told him a couple of weeks ago it wasn't going to be cheap, his response was I didn't expect it would be. He stopped by yesterday with a stain sample and I asked him if he had a budget. He says $200 -$250. Told him that wouldn't quite cover my labor...he got the big eyes and I told him that's what I call sticker shock. Ended up looking a minimum of $600 depending on design. He's supposed to stop back by this week with some money and a better idea of what he wants. We'll see

[Leo G]

They don't have a clue.

[naptownCr]

If she wanted to stand around and watch me work with wood, probably cheap.



Depending on which direction that hand is moving perhaps free.
As long as the Benefits are in line

[PA Woodbutcher]

Depending on which direction that hand is moving perhaps free.
As long as the Benefits are in line

Never free. Already have another to pay for:2thumbsup:

[PA Woodbutcher]

Had a guy asking about a tv stand for his father. looking for red oak. Told him a couple of weeks ago it wasn't going to be cheap, his response was I didn't expect it would be. He stopped by yesterday with a stain sample and I asked him if he had a budget. He says $200 -$250. Told him that wouldn't quite cover my labor...he got the big eyes and I told him that's what I call sticker shock. Ended up looking a minimum of $600 depending on design. He's supposed to stop back by this week with some money and a better idea of what he wants. We'll see

They don't have a clue.

He stopped by yesterday with a pic from wally world.com. We're now up to 1,200:laugh3: I'm thinking we're going to end up somewhere in to 8-850 range when all's said and done.

[Leo G]

Just don't sell yourself short. I did on the last couple of jobs to get money to pay my bills and now 'm a hurt'n unit.

First think out of my mouth when they mention Wal-Mart or HD is it is likely going to be 3x their price.

[PA Woodbutcher]

Just don't sell yourself short. I did on the last couple of jobs to get money to pay my bills and now 'm a hurt'n unit.

First think out of my mouth when they mention Wal-Mart or HD is it is likely going to be 3x their price.


Material utilization is going to be the biggy on this one. He wants it in red oak and I have some pretty fair sized pieces of plywood left over from past projects. I think I'm paying 3.70 a board foot for the oak...that's in 5/4 though. He charges another .35 for S3S

[Leo G]

That's pricy for Oak in my area. I think I can get it below $3. I met a guy who is buying up large quantities of rough lumber (5-7000BF) and wants to sell to small shops and doesn't mind making a low profit margin for some reason. Not going to argue. He has some 4/4 Cherry that he will be selling for $3.20. Kiln dried.

Just remember that the plywood you are grabing from your shop inventory will have to be replaced. But if it is like my leftovers, other peoples money has paid for it.

But the other way to think about it is like a bank account, not money but it was still profit for you. I have a whole rack full of wood profit. Just wish it was liquid, I would turn it into cash in a heart beat.

[PA Woodbutcher]

Sorry...it was 2.70 a bf unsurfaced
My birch was 1.96 S3S
Poplar 1.85 S3S

That was on 1/6/09...Had to drag out an invoice...didn't want to have to have a chat with the man.

Scraps are already paid for and are considered profit in this case.

3.20 for cherry? If you work with a lot of cherry, or had projects on the horizon it would be worth snatching up a pile of it. I would say that at least 70% of my shop work is in oak. Just glad that it isn't birch. Hated working with that shit. Almost as hard as maple and it doesn't even look that good. On the other hand I have a pile of that ugly profit, so it can't really be that ugly can it?

[Leo G]

It stains nice and even though. The white and brown meld well. As an unfinished look I don't care for it either.

[PA Woodbutcher]

It stains nice and even though. The white and brown meld well. As an unfinished look I don't care for it either.

Any particular stain you would recommend? Think I want to get me a couple of sheets of plywood and make something..............Not sure what, but something.

[Leo G]

I use ML Campbell's Woodsong II stain. I also use the stain base (clear stain) as a conditioner on blotchy woods. Pine, Cherry, Maple, Birch are all what I would consider blotchy.

Put the conditioner on and wipe off. Wait 20 minutes. Then put the stain on and wait a few minutes and wipe off. Gives a pretty even tone.

That is the only stains I use except for the occasional MinWax stain. But MLC has those formulas too, so I can usually get away without using the MinWax. The Woodsong II dries in about 10 minutes and you can topcoat with lacquer in less than a 1/2 hour.

This commercial was brought to you my the ML Campbell group, where you will find quality stain, clearcoat and pigmented lacquers and conversion varnishes.....

[Mike(VA)]

Is this a private thread or can anyone join? :laugh3::laugh3:

[PA Woodbutcher]

Is this a private thread or can anyone join? :laugh3::laugh3:

:laugh3:Have at it, if you have something to add...no need to bust Leo's ball on a clean shop anymore. He's probably gut it a little mucked up by now.

[PA Woodbutcher]

By the way Mike, you done shoveling already or just taking a break?:laugh3:

[PA Woodbutcher]

Lighter colors for the birch?

How about a varathane or minwax...Nearest ML campbell distributor is 100 miles away. 1 of the advantages to living in the sticks:rolleyes3:

[Leo G]

I use the fast drying stains. I don't think I could live with the oil base stains anymore. * hours or longer to dry WTF?

How about Sherwin Williams, same parent company. Don't know any of the names of the products though. Or even Valspar, not my favorite, but beats MinWax.

[Splinter]

Forget Minwax... Google up Atlantic Plywood. They'll ship ML Campbell products to your shop.

Woodsong dries really fast, but if you're using it on a lot of oak, I'd give it longer than Leo's ten minutes. The open grain holds a lot of stain, and you dont want to clear over it if there's still some wet stain tucked inside the grain of the wood.


I noticed stain weeping out for up to an hour on the last oak kitchen I built.

[Leo G]

You put it on to heavy then.

Atlantic Plywood?? Who are they :laugh4:

[Splinter]

Homeowner wanted a rather dark color on the oak... When I was doing test samples, I'd place the piece in front of the forced air heater in my shop. The bulk of it would dry quickly, but tiny little drops of stain were forced out of the pores and I had to wipe it again.

There wasnt much of an issue when letting it air dry for an hour or two, I just dont think it would be a good idea to topcoat so soon knowing how much the pores actually do soak up.

[PA Woodbutcher]

Sherwin Williams works. Good excuse to go price out a new zip wall system. At this point in time I think that would also be a good investment.

Thanks for the heads up splinter. I do some staining of oak (usually light), but the majority in the are seem to like it unstained. Funny how preferences run so different from one are of the country to another.