Did a mock up

[Leo G]

Was doing some bidding today. One of the items I was bidding on was a corner cabinet with some open shelving on top. I decided to make a mock up out of poplar to see how the timing would be. This is going to go on the side of a refrigerator cabinet, which is a big pc of cherry plywood. It is also the very first thing you will see when you walk through the door into the kitchen.


The lower shelf is not required because it will be sitting on a cherry top on top of the lower corner cabinet.

So, what do you think? The final version will have a bullnose on the front of the shelves a profile detail on the outside of the shelf, be made of cherry and the shelf will have a back on them. Thecorner cabinet will be in the corner and one corner will have a cherry background (refrig side) and the other will be on the wall (tan). So I figure it will look better with a single color. I was also thinking of making the back black, which will give a nice contrast.


http://fototime.com/40F3A796350CAF9/orig.jpg

http://fototime.com/F2A3A13FFB178C3/orig.jpg

[Bender]

Thats a mock up??
Looks great.

[Leo G]

Yep, just a mock up. No glue, just a bit of sanding. Trying to find out my time frame to make this thing.

It is essentially a template. That is one of the reasons there is no glue, just pocket screws for everything.

It is kind of a neat design I came up with. The framework of the shelf is made from only 3 1/4" material. I used just about 16' of 3 1/4" stock, the shelves were made from about 4' of 11 1/3" stock. If I needed the bottom shelf I would have needed another 13" wide pc.

There is still a bunch of work that I didn't do, the cutouts for the backs and the finishing.

[Leo G]

Thats a mock up??
Looks great.

Can I put you down for one, maybe a couple? Valentines day is coming up.:laugh3:

[OGStilts]

Looks good but you already knew that. If you need an ego boost why don't you just look in the mirror and thank god you aren't Rory?


:idea: Why doesn't the anointed one build himself an entertainment center?

[SLS-Construction]

:idea: Why doesn't the anointed one build himself an entertainment center?

Hmmm, why is a carpenters house never finished, or a GC's paperwork never filed... :grin:

Leo - looks great, just not my style...

[naptownCr]

Leo
You gotta stop taking pictures in your house.
However the abuse we give you is quite entertaining.

[Leo G]

At least the 50" TV is on the wall.

My house is a 966 sq ft pc of crap. But it is paid for. So it is really my pc of crap, not the banks.

[Leo G]

Leo - looks great, just not my style...

My woodworking buddy Ron said the same thing. I like it, and my wife just walked in the door and loves it.

[WarnerConstInc.]

My woodworking buddy Ron said the same thing. I like it, and my wife just walked in the door and loves it.

Proves women don't have good taste.

996sq/ft? How have you not killed and disposed of your family by now?
That is not enough room, my family would hate me, I would be all up in their business.


PS, tell your wife it is hers, if she gets the damn vacuum out!!

[Winchester]

You know you've got a problem when your workshop is bigger than your house :grin:

I also thought it was funny you always make such nice stuff but your own place doesn't have shit :mad2:

You should see my place... and my electrician's place :laugh3::smash:

Nice mock-up though. Are you gonna give it to your wife?

I'm having trouble picturing it with the black back though...

[Leo G]

She vacuums nearly every day. We have two boys, they are pigs.

[Leo G]

You know you've got a problem when your workshop is bigger than your house :grin:

I also thought it was funny you always make such nice stuff but your own place doesn't have shit :mad2:

You should see my place... and my electrician's place :laugh3:
Nice mock-up though. Are you gonna give it to your wife?

I'm having trouble picturing it with the black back though...

If the door on the shop was big enough I could take my whole house and slip it in there. Then I still would have the other side of the shop to work in. :laugh3:


Since it is only poplar I was thinking of painting it. She loves it, probably wouldn't be a bad valentine's fay gift.

[WarnerConstInc.]

Give her your wood Leo!!

[Leo G]

Every weekend Warner, every weekend.

[PA Woodbutcher]

What are you using for a template for something like that? Paper for your first one, transfer it to luan to keep edges clean, square and flipable?

[Bodger]

I like Leo's house. :)

[Leo G]

Much better than the underpass, eh?

[naptownCr]

Considering you have no mortgage Leo
Why don't you invest the equivalent amount of a mortgage every month into the house. In a year with your skills the place would be SWEEEEEEEEET.

[Leo G]

What are you using for a template for something like that? Paper for your first one, transfer it to luan to keep edges clean, square and flipable?

The mock up is actually the template for now. I made the first template from a pc of corrugated cardboard. I have plenty of 4x8 sheets that come between my plywood when I get deliveries. I transferred that to the first strip of wood, then pocket screwed the stretchers to it in the appropriate place. Then I drew the stretchers on it. Because I limited myself to 3 1/4" pcs some of the detail on the stretchers was not transferred, oh well.

Then I cut it out with my jigsaw, my last bandsaw blade broke a while ago. I went over to the edge sander and used the end with the 4"{ roller on it. Some of the curves I drew were tighter than 4" so I just made them to 4" :builder2:.

The top pc was different from the rest because of the angle. I had to change it to 55 degrees and then I made the top pc and attached and sanded.

Then I made the left half by using the right as a template.

The backside is mitered and there is no way I was going to be able to get the lengths of the different pcs correct so I cut them whil everything was assembled.

I took 1/2 the rack and put it on a squared up rectangle of plywood, making sure the bottom was square and flush to the bottom. Then I clamped it down and screwed it through the back. Because my saw is a left tilt I had to run the plywood and side with the side of the shelf facing down. The plywood was used as a straight guide. Cut the miters and did the same for the other side but as a left.

Just predrilled and screwed the to halves together and made the shelves and screwed them on from the back.

About 5 hours, including some sanding and breaking of edges.

[Leo G]

Considering you have no mortgage Leo
Why don't you invest the equivalent amount of a mortgage every month into the house. In a year with your skills the place would be SWEEEEEEEEET.

I may not have a mortgage, but I have shop rent which is more than what my mortgage was. Plus when I had a mortgage I either had no kids or smaller kids. Now I have teenagers, one which drives, so money has been tight. Money was always tight, but without the inflow of work I was having it is even tighter.

I have no money to invest at this time, I had to take some out of some mutual funds I have to pay some of my suppliers and my 1/3 year rent.

Hope things get better soon or I will be a house husband with no shop.

[Leo G]

Considering you have no mortgage Leo
Why don't you invest the equivalent amount of a mortgage every month into the house. In a year with your skills the place would be SWEEEEEEEEET.

When the heck am I suppose to work? Or better yet, sit on my as and do nothing.:o

[naptownCr]

between working and hanging out on the forums.
I seem to remember you mentioning you had a lot of time on your hands last year.
And think how you're wife will react.

[Leo G]

That's when I slept for 6 hours. Gee, if I don't sleep think of all the stuff I can get done.

[neolitic]

That's when I slept for 6 hours. Gee, if I don't sleep think of all the stuff I can get done.

There you go!
No more wasted time for you.
:laugh4:

[Leo G]

I kinda like the sleep. Sort of refreshes me.

[naptownCr]

Sleep is highly over rated.
this coming from someone who can put in a good 10 hours a day

[Leo G]

10 hours is my normal day in the shop. Then I come home and usually do another 2-5 hours. Usually relax until 10, then work until 1

[kornerking]

So what will that piece sell for? In the final form.

[Leo G]

Well the final one will be made from Cherry and have routed profiled edges, be fully sanded and have a back in the areas where the holes are. The it will have three coats of lacquer and feel like a fine pc of furniture. 'Bout $430


I showed it to one of the guys who works in the immediate area and he said make him 5 of them and he'd pay me $50 each. Of course he wanted them stained and finished too. I laughed and laughed and laughed. I told him if he wanted 5 of them, maybe $100 each and finishing would be extra, where does he think these things are being made? China?

If you went to a Christmas shop or an unfinished furniture store you could probably pick it up for $35 (Made in China)

[Winchester]

If you went to a Christmas shop or an unfinished furniture store you could probably pick it up for $35 (Made in China)
I could probably find one made of unfinished pine for $80 or more :rolleyes3:

$35 would buy a particle-board/melamine shelf at Wal-mart or Ikea.

[Leo G]

Custom made, one of a kind, first run without production.

Big bux

[Winchester]

Custom made, one of a kind, first run without production.

Big bux
You'd be ripping yourself off at $100

[Leo G]

That's why I'm not doing it.

[kornerking]

Even at $430 with all the crap that goes into it do you really make more than wages. I have found over the years that I don't start making much unless I can replicate it. On a full kitchen project I can do something like that and build in for my time. I'm getting too damn old to re-invent the wheel each time. My hats off to you .

[Leo G]

It is tough to make a profit on it. But it is the end of the kitchen and they have spent their money with me. This is something that I will offer later down the line. Now that I have a mock up for it the rest of the job is just cutting things out. I was thinking about building a few of these and seeing if I could sell them unfinished. Then charge them a fee to get it finished. That way I could make 10 of them and probably do it in 2 days. We'll see what happens. A HO thinking is probably the price is to high for a little shelf, they just don't understand how much goes into it. The finishing for this one is just a clear coat. 1 spray is less than a minute. Then you need to scuff it which will take about 6-8 minutes and another minute to spray. Then the final scuff with a scotchbrite at 2 minutes and another 1 minute to put the final coat on. The rest of the time is drying.

[Leo G]

This is what they wanted instead of what I mocked up.

This is the small one that will go on an upper cabinet on the end of the run, it is 33" tall
http://fototime.com/378F28245F01E1D/orig.jpg

This is the one that will go on the lower small corner cabinet on the side of the refrigerator cabinet it is 44" tall
http://fototime.com/E18C85E9FC32203/orig.jpg

Big improvement over my original design :rolleyes:

[neolitic]

The mock up will still make
Mrs. Leo happy! http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/neoliticman/smilieclap.gif






















...happier if she had a kitchen to put it in...

[PA Woodbutcher]

From something so complex, to something so simple:laugh3:

Sorry you had to make the mock up for nothing...Stuff like that surely doesn't pay the bills. Hope you at least make enough from the current one to at least pay for the electric used to make the original mock up.

[Leo G]

Solid cherry. Had to be glued up, brought over to the guy that has the widebelt sander and then cut to size. By that time I could have cut up the 3 1/4" cherry and shaped it (I have the templates) and put it together.

It looks simple, but it is time consuming.

[PA Woodbutcher]

I didn't mean simple to do, but simple in design. If I had the room, I have the opportunity to pick up a 50" sander reasonable....uhgg no room for the beast.

[Leo G]

I wouldn't want to put that in my shop either, I want a 36" WB but even that is kind of big. I would do it without a thought, but might have to rearrange some things.