Paint Sprayers ?

[ModernStyle]

I know alot of you guys do your own painting, so who has an airless sprayer ?
What about and HVLP?
Or a good old suction feed cup gun ?

[Blue]

We brush and roll only. We only do ext. repaints no interior.

[ModernStyle]

You roll aluminum and vinyl sided houses ?

[Blue]

Have aluminum couple times. Have heard you could paint vinyl, but haven't tried it yet.

[SLS-Construction]

Airless & the old fashioned cup one which I haven't used it yet

The airless only comes out if everything is going to be the same color (trim, ceiling, walls,etc... what can I say I had a 4-plex before) - if not I just sub it out

[ModernStyle]

I just finished up painting some vinyl today.
Buy a cheap sprayer and mask off all of the windows and doors and spray, you will never want to brush and roll again. I spray as much as I can, I will back brush on wood after spraying but pretty much eveything else I just spray and call it finished.
With the new technology in paints more and more people will be wanting their vinyl siding repainted in the future, easy money ......
I am talking about exteriors, not interior
On interiors I usually only spray the trim out on remodels or maybe some popcorn ceilings if it is possible instead of trying to roll that nasty shit.

[ModernStyle]

I have never really owned a nice cup gun, I always buy cheap ones. I always wanted to own a nice one, but with all of the alkyd paints going away I guess I really will not need one now.

[RCP]

We spray a lot and have several rigs. SW has paint with the vinylsafe colors that is nice, spray it on a walk away!

[Eieio]

I have a home depot spray rig, 5 years and going strong. If it is a cheapo job or exterior repaint spay it.

Everything else is paint and brush

[ModernStyle]

Is that paint only in certain colors RC ?

[ModernStyle]

You ever spray your trim on remodels before installing it Rory ?

[Dusty]

I purchased a HVLP system a few months back to refinish countertops. I have also used it to refinish tubs and my most recent refinish was old clay tiles in front of a fireplace.

We also have a really nice airless. We use it to spray out ceilings and trim mostly.

[RCP]

Is that paint only in certain colors RC ?

The "Vinyl Safe Technology" allows you to use darker colors without warping. Yes, it is certain colors, SW has a nice brochure with the colors.

[Dusty]

You ever spray your trim on remodels before installing it Rory ?

We have tried that a few times. I don't like it because you mess up the paint job cutting the trim and nailing it in to the wall. Every nail hole and joint needs to be filled. And I am a freak about gaps so nearly every inch of trim will be caulked before I paint it. If it's wood trim, I use tinted caulk.

[Dusty]

The "Vinyl Safe Technology" allows you to use darker colors without warping. Yes, it is certain colors, SW has a nice brochure with the colors.

What do you mean by warping?

[ModernStyle]

I will have to check that out RC.
I just did a vinyl house, white over white. The HO called me and said it was aluminum and was it possible to fix some holes in it, I planned on bondo for the holes untill I got there and determined that the house was in fact vinyl and not aluminum.
HVLP's alays seem like a pain in the butt to clean, I have owned 2 different models and prefer an airless over them any day.
If I keep on getting cabinet refinishing jobs I am going to go ahead and get the air assisted Graco 395. When I was subbing new residential the painter I subbed off of bought me an air assisted to use on custom woodwork, it was a nice rig once I got the hang of it.
Right now I have a Graco 1095 that I rarely use and a Spraytech 2155 that I work like a dog. For $700 the Spraytech is a nice sprayer, especially since when I bought it they had some special going on and sold me a whole extra pump assembly 4 $100 when I mailed them a copy of my reciept, I have never used it yet, but when the packings finally fail I will be able to just slap in the new lower unitnd go right back to work.

[Blue]

I just finished up painting some vinyl today.
Buy a cheap sprayer and mask off all of the windows and doors and spray, you will never want to brush and roll again. I spray as much as I can, I will back brush on wood after spraying but pretty much eveything else I just spray and call it finished.
With the new technology in paints more and more people will be wanting their vinyl siding repainted in the future, easy money ......
I am talking about exteriors, not interior
On interiors I usually only spray the trim out on remodels or maybe some popcorn ceilings if it is possible instead of trying to roll that nasty shit.

We advertise and sell the brush and roll on purpose Dave. Peeps don't want spray. Our premium service is prime all by hand, two coat latex all by hand. Most will go with the prime any exposed wood only though.

Edit; I should add that it's golf course/gated type homes we take on. No blue collar homes. Those would be sprayed by somebody for sure.

[WarnerConstInc.]

I have an airless. Just a Magnum xr-7.

Sparyed a couple aluminum houses.

White boxed some 4 plex's inside.

If I have a bunch of trim to prime, I prime with it.

Exterior wood, all with a brush, my house is killing me.

I have an automotive cup gun. (just saying)

If I need a nice finish on something I go to my buddy's cabinet shop and have him spray it in the booth.

For anything else, I suppose I have to call Modern.

[Dusty]

What product are you using on cabinets, Modern?

[ModernStyle]

Go to the Home Depot and buy some Gripper primer by Glidden the next time you are painting some rough cut cedar, put it on thick then hit with 2 top coats of satin, thats my money maker right there.
Some people are afraid of having their homes sprayed because of the hacks that are out there spraying the hell out of everything. I try and convince them that it is all in the prep work, i can spray out a thicker mil of paint then anyone could apply with a brush and roller.
I do get the ocassional customer that wants it rolled on, but if they dont mind paying for the extra hours then I dont mind rolling. I do roll if there is only trim, like freeze boards and garage door trim, but if I do siding then I wanna spray. I can easily make $1000 a day spraying, I cant get close to that rolling

[ModernStyle]

Devflex HP from ICI or SW Pro Classic Waterborne. I prefer the Devflex, it is way more durable in the long run, but SW has better marketing so I offer the Pro Classic to cash in on their name and to put some customers more at ease.

[ModernStyle]

Is the XR7 a diapram pump ? Does it sound like a vacum and run non-stop ?

[RCP]

What do you mean by warping?

If you paint a darker color it will absorb the heat and cause warping, buckling and cupping.

Look here (http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=howTo&p=Improve/Siding.html&rn=RightNavFiles/rightNavPaint)

[WarnerConstInc.]

Is the XR7 a diapram pump ? Does it sound like a vacum and run non-stop ?

Are you talking to me? :mad2:

Um, it has a piston I do believe.

It does not sound like a vaccum. It kicks on and off.

The only time it gets used is when someone wants to borrow it.
Does paint a barn in a hurry though.


I also agree about the extra prep before spraying something, making for a way better job.

Nothing pisses me off more than when I see overspray on shingles.:censored:

[ModernStyle]

There is a local painter that will spray your house and add extra to the bill if you want him to clean the overspray off the windows. I usually cover the windows and will still go back and wipe them down with windex if the HO is nice.
I have gotten alot of referalls just by cleaning windows in great rooms and foyers that were out of the HO's reach. I guess people never think about those things when they request the huge window 25 feet in the air when having their home built.

[fez-head]

We have a HVLP that we use on the more ornate hand rails and columns - especially the cast iron ones. The zip wall goes up to make a mini spray booth just in case the wind decides to kick off unexpectedly.

[Winchester]

I got a very nice Kremlin HVLP gun last year for spraying pre-cat laquer but I have not used it.

I haven't got around to buying a compressor I can use for spraying and pressure pot yet.

[ModernStyle]

I have the worlds oldest junky looking compressor. It had so muchh paint on it when I got it that I have no idea what brand it is. The thing is awesome though, it keeps up with a cup gun better then any other smaller compressor I have ever used. Someday I will try to scrape it down a little and see what brand it is, because when it finally dies I want the same brand again. My old boss sold it to me when he decided to upgrade to Craftsman, the Craftsman he bought were junk, they couldnt keep up, but by then he had sold all of the old compressors. One of the best $50 I have ever spent

[Winchester]

I have the worlds oldest junky looking compressor. It had so muchh paint on it when I got it that I have no idea what brand it is. The thing is awesome though, it keeps up with a cup gun better then any other smaller compressor I have ever used. Someday I will try to scrape it down a little and see what brand it is, because when it finally dies I want the same brand again. My old boss sold it to me when he decided to upgrade to Craftsman, the Craftsman he bought were junk, they couldnt keep up, but by then he had sold all of the old compressors. One of the best $50 I have ever spent

I've looked at and almost bought many times some old large compressors for the shop. All $100-300 and for pretty old ones too. $50 sounds like a steal. You know what size and what HP?

[ModernStyle]

I will have to try and scrape some paint off of it and find out. My wife bought me a compressor with a huge tank once, it had no balls, once the tank was empty it couldnt keep up with anything. I had her take it back. It was too big to keep in my small garage if it couldnt do much more then air up tires.
One day I would like to get a real shop with a nice huge compressor so that I never run out of air, but untill then my little junker gets the job done.

[ModernStyle]

Edit; I should add that it's golf course/gated type homes we take on. No blue collar homes. Those would be sprayed by somebody for sure.

Dont go all Finley on me and act like you only do high end stuff .....
I get what you are saying though. I do work in alot of the upscale communities here also, and I do change some of my methods when dealing with a more upscale clientele. With that being said though, I also wont turn down a $3500 aluminum siding repaint that takes me 2 1/2 days to complete all by myself. For a small one man show like me that is a pretty decent job.

[Winchester]

I will have to try and scrape some paint off of it and find out. My wife bought me a compressor with a huge tank once, it had no balls, once the tank was empty it couldnt keep up with anything. I had her take it back. It was too big to keep in my small garage if it couldnt do much more then air up tires.
One day I would like to get a real shop with a nice huge compressor so that I never run out of air, but untill then my little junker gets the job done.
Yeah a huge tank with low hp (like ones from homodepot) are just useless.

[ModernStyle]

I managed to take some epoxy thinner to the tank and made out "Rol-Air" on the tank, I could see where another sticker was but the thinner took whatever it had said off with the paint.

[ModernStyle]

http://www.mastertoolrepair.com/d075hss4-d075lss4-od1500lss4-d1500hss4-d2000hss4-pi-2902.html?osCsid=eaa563b903b720aabca83f3434341a1b
This looks like mine

[Blue]

Dont go all Finley on me and act like you only do high end stuff .....
I get what you are saying though. I do work in alot of the upscale communities here also, and I do change some of my methods when dealing with a more upscale clientele. With that being said though, I also wont turn down a $3500 aluminum siding repaint that takes me 2 1/2 days to complete all by myself. For a small one man show like me that is a pretty decent job.

Exactly what I said. I've done a couple and would do it again. My point is we explain our process and very few want that type of service. Very few. that's all I meant. Not that you only do doghouses and swingsets.

But nine out of 10 are monsters that take us around two weeks to hand coat. Always referral or neighbors where we are at. Do about 4 jobs per year on average and they come in avg $8k. We don't push the paint service like the remodeling services that's why we don't do many.

[ModernStyle]

Thats the great thing about upscale neighborhoods, everyone has money and once you start working it becomes keeping up with the Jones's and everyone wants their house to look as good as the neighbors. I have noticed that the aluminum siding jobs are in blue collar neighborhoods and I rarely get more work in the neighborhood at that time, people just dont always have the extra 3 or 4 thousand to get their hose painted in those neighborhoods.
I figure eventually the aluminum siding jobs will go away, the house will get older and the neighborhoods will get poorer, thats why I want to be one of the first offering the vinyl painting

[RCP]

If you really want to get into the vinyl siding painting, get some good before/after shots and make a mailer touting the fact you can change colors.

[Eieio]

You ever spray your trim on remodels before installing it Rory ?

Yep 90 percent of the remodels we do the trim,ceilings and doors are white so I do the ceilings, doors and trim first then walls.

Pull off the doors roll them out then hit the walls, put the doors back on on then collect the check

[WarnerConstInc.]

If it is a Rol-air, it probably wont die. They have very quick re-charge times.

[ModernStyle]

The only thing with the compressor is you better check and make sure the oil plug is in it tight before running it, when I worked for my old boss we had to paint many garages because of the oil plug popping out and spraying the wall with oil.