Pine Cabinet

[Bodger]

Banged together a little pine cabinet. Center openings top and bottom will be doors with the old time wavy glass, middle center openings will be drawers.

The client wants it distressed so I guess I'll whack it with a chain and and claw hammer. Then stain and wax.

I did this on my back patio. I miss my shop.

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt10/dingoff/raccab2-1.jpg

[afkama]

The client wants it distressed so I guess I'll whack it with a chain and and claw hammer.

Just try to visualize that it is an unlicensed contractor.





Nice work.

[Allrounder]

Just try to visualize that it is an unlicensed contractor.

There would only be splinters left if he did that!!

[Bodger]

I shall name this cabinet Julio. And will only strike with intent to scar, but not maim.

Lead kindly Lord. :mad2:

[naptownCr]

Looks good
now beat er up

[Eieio]

How are the shelves attach?

[Leo G]

Looks nice, don't you mean stain, shellac and wax?

I would have a tough time doing work without my shop. It would be hard.

[Bodger]

How are the shelves attach?


I used a Kreg pocket hole rig with the 1 1/4" screws for all shelf attachments. I usually like to dado everything, but 1X8 #2 pine is generally cupped a bit and it plays hell geting those cupped boards into a dado and getting the stacked cutter to go deep enough in the carcase planks. Also, this is not a high budget cabinet so time is a factor.

I slotted for biscuits and glued the carcase and shelf boards together that way. Down and dirty. Glue it and calmp, bust a 5/8" brad through the biscuits, pull the clamps, on to the next one.

The doors and drawers will be rail and stile, with a brass sheet metal in the panel area of the drawers. I got a chemical that ages brass to look like oil rubbed bronze.

The client ordered clamshell pulls for the drawers that are also oil rubbed bronze and she wants them on the top rail of the drawers. I think they're too big but she likes them so what the hell. It's her cabinet.

I'm making dick money on this thing, maybe $700, but I'm doing it at home and it's not that hard so what the hell.

[Bodger]

Looks nice, don't you mean stain, shellac and wax?

I would have a tough time doing work without my shop. It would be hard.


I don't know, I was just going to put two coats of stain on it and a couple of coats of Minwax. I don't have a lot of experience with finishes. For years I refused to stain anything, and would only use a combo of turpentine, tung oil and spar varnish on natural wood. Sometimes I would give that a coat of wax as well.

What is the point of the shellac?

She wants this thing to look kinda old and beat up, not too glossy. It's being stained a dark mahogany color after I beat it up.

[JasonW]

Looks very nice. Can't wait to see the finished product.

[Splinter]

Nice clamps.. and nice Hilti screwgun....


Oh, nice cabinet too. :D whack 'er up!

[Bodger]

Nice clamps.. and nice Hilti screwgun....


Oh, nice cabinet too. :D whack 'er up!

Love that Hilti impact driver. Works great on the screws in the pocket holes. If you cinch those just a hair too tight, they'll strip and spin in that soft wood. I had to back a few out and stick a shim in there and reset the screw.

[PA Woodbutcher]

Nice cabinet/bookshelves:2thumbsup: I like projects like that when I'm in a shop. Not so much so in the yard.

Creating the distressed look can be tricky. Just the right amount without going too far.

[kornerking]

I used a Kreg pocket hole rig with the 1 1/4" screws for all shelf attachments. I usually like to dado everything, but 1X8 #2 pine is generally cupped a bit and it plays hell geting those cupped boards into a dado and getting the stacked cutter to go deep enough in the carcase planks. Also, this is not a high budget cabinet so time is a factor.

I slotted for biscuits and glued the carcase and shelf boards together that way. Down and dirty. Glue it and calmp, bust a 5/8" brad through the biscuits, pull the clamps, on to the next one.

The doors and drawers will be rail and stile, with a brass sheet metal in the panel area of the drawers. I got a chemical that ages brass to look like oil rubbed bronze.

The client ordered clamshell pulls for the drawers that are also oil rubbed bronze and she wants them on the top rail of the drawers. I think they're too big but she likes them so what the hell. It's her cabinet.

I'm making dick money on this thing, maybe $700, but I'm doing it at home and it's not that hard so what the hell.

Looks good. Hey at 700. , no shop, no rain or snow, Do a bunch in your spare time and they will sell. Then you will figure you need a shop and will have to charge over a grand to cover OH. Keep up the good work.

[Leo G]

I don't know, I was just going to put two coats of stain on it and a couple of coats of Minwax. I don't have a lot of experience with finishes. For years I refused to stain anything, and would only use a combo of turpentine, tung oil and spar varnish on natural wood. Sometimes I would give that a coat of wax as well.

What is the point of the shellac?

She wants this thing to look kinda old and beat up, not too glossy. It's being stained a dark mahogany color after I beat it up.

Wax will put a barrier coat between the stain and the wax. That way the wood won't soak up the wax. It will go on much easier and when it comes time to strip the wax and apply more you won't effect the stain. Plus the wax will glide on.

Do a test sample, on occasion the wax will have the wrong solvent in it and might eat at the shellac. Usually not because wax is a oil base solvent and shellac is an alcohol based solvent.

[Bodger]

Nice cabinet/bookshelves:2thumbsup: I like projects like that when I'm in a shop. Not so much so in the yard.

Creating the distressed look can be tricky. Just the right amount without going too far.


Yeah, I haven't had a shop space for four years now since I sold my house. And this is the first piece of cabinetry I've built since. Man, was I rusty. I had to look up the angle and bevel settings for 45 degree crown molding. That's bad.

I'm not a huge fan of the distressed thing in stained pieces. I think it always looks like exactly what it is, artificial wear and tear. I can do an aged paint look over a bunch of scratches and dents that make it look pretty real, but stained over distressed looks fake to me. But, she's paying, so it's her choice.

[Bodger]

Almost done. Just waiting for the pulls and the door hinges. And the glass for the doors.

Thanks out to Leo for the finishing tips.


http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt10/dingoff/fincab1.jpg

[kornerking]

Wow

Did you say $700.00?

[Bodger]

Wow

Did you say $700.00?


No, that was my profit. I charged her $1200 for it. She came by this morning to see it, and ordered another cabinet just like this one, only slightly smaller, and a sideboard.

I quoted almost $3000 for the additional two pieces. Looks like that back patio is going to be a friggin' mess for a while longer. :laugh3:

[kornerking]

Hell of a lot better than nothing. 700 here , 700 there and pretty soon you have a career.wtg

[Bodger]

Hell of a lot better than nothing. 700 here , 700 there and pretty soon you have a career.wtg


I'll have to invest in a shop though, this backyard cabinetmaking sucks. But hey, I don't have any remodeling jobs lined up and I'll easily make a couple of grand on these cabinets without leaving my house. I'll take that as way to survive until things pick up.

[kornerking]

Your backyard shop is part of the mistique. Those rich folk like helping out people who are showing an effort. Even if you get a shop let them think you do it in your backyard.

[Bodger]

Your backyard shop is part of the mistique. Those rich folk like helping out people who are showing an effort. Even if you get a shop let them think you do it in your backyard.


Good idea.

This is reminding me of something that was in the movie Jeremiah Johnson. Will Geer's character, the old Grizzly hunter, tells Johnson:

"You can cut and stack firewood up on the Judith River. Leave a pouch out and the riverboat captains will leave some gold dust for you. Good thing to know if times gets hard."

I'm glad I learned (somewhat) to make cabinets.

[kornerking]

People buy on emotion. Part of what has worked so well for me is the fact that I live 250 miles North, up in the woods. Questions like do you work out of your garage? yes, yes I do. (Well I do change oil in it) Do you cut the trees? yes,My Dad was a logger. ( now he's been dead since 1979, oops). and so on and so forth

[Leo G]

Looks like you did real good. How did the shellac work out for ya? Make the wax go on better. I can tell you now. I never did it myself. :mad2: But I knew it would work because of other people's experiences. You did do a test pc like we talked about, right?

[Bodger]

Looks like you did real good. How did the shellac work out for ya? Make the wax go on better. I can tell you now. I never did it myself. :mad2: But I knew it would work because of other people's experiences. You did do a test pc like we talked about, right?


I did do a test piece. Two coats of stain, with recommended dry time between. Then two coats of shellac with a 400 grit sand in between. Then two coats of wax. Worked out real well, nice even distribution of the wax, and easy to rub off the excess. The wax went over the shellac real well.
Thanks!

[Leo G]

You are most welcome.

[neolitic]

No, that was my profit. I charged her $1200 for it. She came by this morning to see it, and ordered another cabinet just like this one, only slightly smaller, and a sideboard.

I quoted almost $3000 for the additional two pieces. Looks like that back patio is going to be a friggin' mess for a while longer. :laugh3:

CindyLou will think you can
actually work! :laugh4:










Nice job BTW...

[Bodger]

CindyLou will think you can
actually work! :laugh4:










Nice job BTW...

Thanks.
She already wants two end tables. But not pine of course, more along the lines of cherry or maple.

I gotta get a shop again. If it were to rain right now, I would have a living room full of tools and wood and cabinet. I'd rather make this kind of stuff than remodel. The money was never as good though.

[neolitic]

Thanks.
She already wants two end tables. But not pine of course, more along the lines of cherry or maple.

I gotta get a shop again. If it were to rain right now, I would have a living room full of tools and wood and cabinet. I'd rather make this kind of stuff than remodel. The money was never as good though.

And then, there is always the lucrative
castanet trade.....:grin:

[Bodger]

Round two, the companion piece. This one still needs shellac, wax, glass, and door pulls.

One more to go, a low unit with six drawers.

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt10/dingoff/cabinet2.jpg

[kornerking]

Looks oh so good
wadya get 4 this 1

[Blue]

looks good except for the nail bleed on the fence

[kornerking]

looks good except for the nail bleed on the fence

That's ponderosa stripe

[Bodger]

Looks oh so good
wadya get 4 this 1

I charged $1100 on this one, made about the same as I did on the first. Next one will be bit more, prolly like $1500. More drawers and two extra doors.

She wanted this one tall, damn thing is 76 inches high. She drove me nuts bringing her china over here to measure and make sure each shelf was the right size for her dishes and glasses and such.

looks good except for the nail bleed on the fence


It's the exotic Zebrawood fence. :grin:

[Leo G]

Who the hell told you to use shellac?:laugh3:

Looks good. A bit odd though.

We'll make a finisher out of you yet.

[Bodger]

Who the hell told you to use shellac?:laugh3:

Looks good. A bit odd though.

We'll make a finisher out of you yet.


Shellac? That's bug juice!
Yeah, now this broad fancies herself as a cabinet designer. It's too high and too busy inside, but that's what she wanted. I don't like the shelves behind the doors, or the fact that the larger door is on top. Oh well, not going into my house. I only have Ikea.

I was going to sand out those nail bleeds, but dang, that ivy grows fast.:grin:


http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt10/dingoff/cabinet2-1.jpg

[Eieio]

K.C. I like that, really looks cool, good job my brother.. :2thumbsup:

[Leo G]

I've built many things that I don't fancy. But I always tell them it looks wonderful, because they think so.

[Bodger]

Yeah, this woman has a lot of eccentric china that she wants to showcase in her dining room. That's what this unit is for.
Now she's making noises about bumping out here kitchen so I might make some real money on her after all. And it's only five blocks from my crib.

[kornerking]

"She wanted this one tall, damn thing is 76 inches high. She drove me nuts bringing her china over here to measure and make sure each shelf was the right size for her dishes and glasses and such"

Reminds me off a customer I had. Built her a 14 drawer dresser. She Ironed her husbands underwear and didn't want to fold them after. Each drawer was special size to fit the items. Boxer shorts, tee shirts, tank tops, etc. I was doing a live radio broadcast a few months later and Joan came in. She proceeded to get on the radio and brag about her custom dresser. She was well known in the area so her hubby got a lot of razing.

[neolitic]

Have to say, your shop
has good light and nice ventilation. http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/neoliticman/smilie/smiliethumbsup.gif

[Leo G]

And high ceilings

[neolitic]

And high ceilings

True enough, not likely to
be bumping into the light fixture. :grin:

[Bodger]

Yeah, lots of fun applying shellac with the wind blowing all manner of crap into it before it dries. Got it done though. Should be able to deliver it next week. That new demo job will have me busy for a few days though.

When this business works, there's nothing like it. That demolition job is going to net me more in one week than I made all last month and the month before combined.

[Bodger]

...and
...the last ( and weirdest) in the trilogy of Pine.
This one will house printer, fax, scanner, and some other junk.

I have a 4 X 8 sheet of rusted metal from Chemetal that will be the drawer and door fronts on this one. Friggin' sheet cost $325 and all it's just steel with some chemical poured on it to make it rust pretty.

There are three hinged doors in the top of this thing to provide access to the printer and such. And will be seven doors in the front, with three drawers.
I got the Blumotion drawer slides. Nice.

I'll post up on the final when it's done.

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt10/dingoff/cab5-6a.jpg

[nEighter]

Looks really nice man.

[Leo G]

Ain't those Blumotion slides the cat's a$$? Love them. How much you have to pay for them. I get mine for about $19 set plus locks.

[kornerking]

Ain't those Blumotion slides the cat's a$$? Love them. How much you have to pay for them. I get mine for about $19 set plus locks.

Leo, 15.03 including locks. HDL 800-309-1009 I think 96 sets at a time.

[Leo G]

Mine is at a box price of 6. I don't use that many in a year. I just recently swapped over to the blumotion from their standard self close slides a year ago. They wanted $24 a set back then and I never increased my price from Accuride ball bearing slides. I wasn't going to pay another $6/slide so my clients could have the nice stuff. But the trade off of me upgrading from Accuride to Blum was good for me because of zero callbacks with the Blums. I was having screws get loose after about a year on the Accurides. No problems with the Blums. So it was worth the price. But the problem is that even cheap box cabinets come with these slides because they can buy them in large quantities at low prices. I cannot do that, nor do I want to.

[Bodger]

Ain't those Blumotion slides the cat's a$$? Love them. How much you have to pay for them. I get mine for about $19 set plus locks.

Leo, 15.03 including locks. HDL 800-309-1009 I think 96 sets at a time.


Ouch I sez. I only bought 3 pair, paid $24 per pair plus the locks.

[Leo G]

That is what I use to pay when I opted for the blumotion. It is not a bad price. Go to Rockler.com and see what the price is. Last time I looked they were about $35.

I pay a higher price when I don't get a box. But I can also mix and match to get the box price. Usually on kitchens I get two boxes (12 sets) and either have a few left over or grab some from extra stock I had laying around. Depends on the size of the kitchen.

[Bodger]

That is what I use to pay when I opted for the blumotion. It is not a bad price. Go to Rockler.com and see what the price is. Last time I looked they were about $35.

I pay a higher price when I don't get a box. But I can also mix and match to get the box price. Usually on kitchens I get two boxes (12 sets) and either have a few left over or grab some from extra stock I had laying around. Depends on the size of the kitchen.


Yeah, I haven't installed them yet. I notice that the length of the drawer box has to be spot on so that little lever in the back fits in the hole that needs to be drilled.
I bought that positioning jig as well, but now that I see the slides, I don't think I need it.
These are great though, got that little piston in there.

The install instructions on the Blum site are about as clear as mud on some issues. I got the jist of it though. I'm building the drawers out of 1/2" Baltic birch with a rail and stile finish front. Not too challenging really. No dovetails, not at this price. But I did get this cab up to $2800. Should easily make $1500 on it.

[Leo G]

1/2" sides equals a drawer 5/8" smaller than the opening. I use 5/8" sides so I use a 3/8" deduction. The drawer length (front to back) doesn't need to be spot on. Just close. +/- 1/16" should do.

I made a jig for the hole in the back of the drawer out of Oak. Makes it easy to locate the hole. I also don't listen to the bottom overhang of 1/2". If I did then I would see the hole in the pins and tails and that is unacceptable. I have a 1/4" overhang and everything works fine. I cut the 1 5/16" slot on the back underside of the drawer on the tablesaw. I cut a blade width at the edge of the side, then I move the fence over 1 3/16" and cut another slot. This makes the outside to outside dimension 1 5/16". Then I just move the drawer back and forth a little at a time and clear out the space between the kerf cuts. I do both sides on the same setup. The drawer facing forward for one cut and the other way for the other slot. You just have to have the blade height set correctly so it barely touches the bottom of the drawer bottom.

[Bodger]

Those Blums are the real deal. Never used them before, but installed them today and they are really great.

My only beef is I wish there were a couple of holes that were slotted in the sides so the front to back adjustment could be made with the first two screws. I had to move the slides and use new holes a couple of times to fine tune the drawer fronts placement since they are full inset.
Unless I missed something, there's no other way to do that. I used the tilt wheel adjustments in the back though, pretty handy.

[Leo G]

You need the PV locks. They are adjustable and specific for inset applications.

T51.1700.PV-L
T51.1700.PV-R


I know I know....Now he tells me.

[nEighter]

recent pics??!

[Bodger]

recent pics??!


I'll post up when I've got the doors done. That's next few days work, ten rail and stile flat panel with metal fronts glued onto MDF panels.

Thanks for the tip on the locks Leo. I figured I was missing something. I got 'em squared away though, just moved the screws a bit a couple of times.
Next time, PV locks. (for insets anyway)

[nEighter]

Cool good luck man.

[Bodger]

So I call this woman this morning and ask her if she has decided on the pulls she wants for the drawers. There's a problem.
She fell in love with some armoire at an estate sale, and wants it instead of this barn I'm building.
Asks me how much I could deduct for labor if I stop now, and if any materials can be returned.
I didn't want to argue, told her the damn thing was already discounted to begin with, and no materials could be returned to speak of.
She's cool, willing to pay the whole amount and I can do whatever with this stupid thing.
I'll still make money, but WTF. I don't want this thing either.

So that's that.

[neolitic]

Give it to CindyLou.
Should be good for a night
of "Naughty Nurse."

[Bodger]

Give it to CindyLou.
Should be good for a night
of "Naughty Nurse."


Get me a good lock for the front and stuff her surly butt in there.:grin:

[neolitic]

I guess I missed a couple of episodes
of this particular soap opera......

[Bodger]

I guess I missed a couple of episodes
of this particular soap opera......


Just the usual machinations of day to day life with women.
Truth be told, I ain't no bargain either. Surprised? :grin:

[Bender]

Too much man:rolleyes3:
Ahh well. Don't burn the bridge.

[neolitic]

Just the usual machinations of day to day life with women.
Truth be told, I ain't no bargain either. Surprised? :grin:

I told one, " I know you won't be happy
til you find a perfect man. Has it occurred to you
that he will be looking for a perfect woman?"

[WarnerConstInc.]

I told one, " I know you won't be happy
til you find a perfect man. Has it occurred to you
that he will be looking for a perfect woman?"

:joker::joker::laugh3:

That is great, I am going to use it on the old lady the first chance I get.

[nEighter]

I would wear a cup for a while after you do that.. may come in handy.. just saying.

[Bodger]

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt10/dingoff/harpercab.jpg

Finished it. For now, it will have to sit in my living room.
I'll prolly take a few bucks off for these people, I will still have made some decent dough and have the cabinet to sell or keep or whatever.

These people have beaucoup bucks, daddy owns a resort group and half of Scottsdale. Dropped $2500 on just changing their minds. Probably paid ten grand for what they liked better.

I changed the stain though. Went with a Zar aged varnish color, then dry brushed on a dark mahogany to make it look a little darker around the joints and details.
Applied amber shellac and waxed. Still have to put the door catches on.

I didn't use hardware for the drawer pulls. I used a cove bit and cut the bottom of the upper rail on the drawers, nice hidden detail.

tools go back in storage. I'm done with this back yard crap. I'm sure my neighbors will be happy.

[neolitic]

Came out nice.
I wish I could get screwed out of a job
and come out so well!

[kornerking]

Ain't those Blumotion slides the cat's a$$? Love them. How much you have to pay for them. I get mine for about $19 set plus locks.


Leo, do you pay shipping on top of this or is it a landed price?

[Leo G]

If I order enough stuff shipping is free. Usually when I order slides I am ordering a whole kitchens worth of stuff. Or even if I am ordering enough for a couple of vanities or something it is enough. I think the lower limit for the free shipping is $250. But that is usually pretty easy with sheets of A1 plywood costing $80-$100 each.

Recently my price point dropped. I am now getting them for about $16.50 for the 21" version, plus the cost of locks.

[kornerking]

Just curious. Who do you get them from?

[Leo G]

Atlantic Plywood.

There are two price points.

1 box, they cost me about $18
2 boxes, they cost me about $16.50
a pallet...well, I have never needed that many so I never asked.

What are you paying, and in what quantities?

[kornerking]

Just gathering info. I am looking at adding selected hardware to be available to my KK customers. Not to make a large profit put as a service.

I am at about the same cost landed. 96 at a time it does go down about a buck.

Different suppliers obviously different prices. It might be a benefit to some, not to others.

[Leo G]

The main reason I changed over was call backs. When I was using the Accuride full extension ball bearing slides I would have screw problems. I would never get the call back. But I would visit "my" kitchens on occasion pull out the drawers and open the doors. Most of the drawers I would need to tighten the screws up. Nothing big, and I always caught them before problems occurred.

But since I have change over to the Blum I have had no such screw loosening. I never did add an upcharge to the better slide. But just the fact that I had no problems after the switch made it worth while. That was with the self close. The soft close were a $6 upcharge to buy the slide. I only offered the self close. But then the soft close started to show up on the cheap HD cabinets and I was forced to change over. But at the same time the pricing on the blumotion slides was creeping down. By the time I had fully switch over to the blumotion the prices were below what I was paying for the self close.

[kornerking]

I think I got it... You now use the SOFT CLOSE standard, correct?

[Leo G]

Yes. Soft close is the standard for me now.

[kornerking]

I wonder if Bodger knows we jacked his thread.

If he shows up I would like to find out how these pieces are coming. Any new pics?

[Leo G]

Of course he knows. But he is a reformed man (http://www.remodelcrazy.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6193) now and will not say anything unless he has something good to say.

[asprice84]

Great work!

[Bodger]

I think I got it... You now use the SOFT CLOSE standard, correct?


Isn't Blumotion only avaialble in soft close?

[Bodger]

I wonder if Bodger knows we jacked his thread.

If he shows up I would like to find out how these pieces are coming. Any new pics?


Jack away, I like the info on the Blumotion and where to get them. Great slides.

No, nothing new on the pine cabinet scene. I've done some other work for these people since, but not cabinets.
Sold that last one on Craig's List pretty quick. And pretty cheap, but I had already made my money on it, so it didn't matter.

If I could have it my way, I would build these things all day. Fun and easy. Especially the drawers and doors.

[kornerking]

Isn't Blumotion only avaialble in soft close?

No, you can get them self closing or soft close, ff version or frameless.

[Bodger]

No, you can get them self closing or soft close, ff version or frameless.


Ah, self closing is what I had. I was confused because self closing closes softly.

Great glides.

[Leo G]

Self close have no hydraulic action and can slam. The soft close you can whip closed and it will slow down at the last 2" and pull themselves in slowly.

[Bodger]

Self close have no hydraulic action and can slam. The soft close you can whip closed and it will slow down at the last 2" and pull themselves in slowly.

Okay, so I had self closing. Do they all have the little piston?

[Leo G]

No, only the soft close have the piston.

[Bodger]

Now I AM confused. I used Blumotion, and they had a piston, and were self closing, you pushed them almost closed and they would softly close the rest of the way on their own.

WTF did I have?

here: http://www.drawerslides.com/p/562h4570b

Maybe the cabinet was always tilted slightly out of level to the rear every time I pushed the drawer in.

[Leo G]

You have blumotion SOFT close slides.

The SELF close slides do not have the hydraulic piston and will pull themselves closed when pushed to within about 2" of being closed, but will not slowly pull in.

Sorry for confusing you. I was trying to get a picture of the two slides but nothing online showed anything close enough to make anything meaningful to show you.

[Bodger]

You have blumotion SOFT close slides.

The SELF close slides do not have the hydraulic piston and will pull themselves closed when pushed to within about 2" of being closed, but will not slowly pull in.

Sorry for confusing you. I was trying to get a picture of the two slides but nothing online showed anything close enough to make anything meaningful to show you.


I got it, I think. So, the soft close are also self closing, and have the piston which eases the drawer closed. ?

[Leo G]

Yes, all the Blum Tandems are self closing. The Blumotion denotes the hydraulic action of the Tandem slide.