How Did You First Hear About EPA RRP?

[Bodger]

How and when did you first hear about this RRP rule?

[Bender]

Thats a good question...
It was either here or PT, but it was definitely word of mouth. Not a media outlet.

[Eieio]

2 or maybe 3 years ago at a Hud meeting, then it fell of the map.. Hud guidelines basically followed the rules they laid out.

[Silvertree]

It was in a little bar outside of Oshkosh, Wisconsin.

The lighting was subdued and cast a warm glow on my companion, a beautiful woman dog sled trainer from the Inuit tribe. She leaned over, her lips imparting a warmth to my ear and she whispered "EPA lead rule, what you should know".

I felt an immediate fondness from her intimate gesture as she took my hand in hers and led me to her room on that day, the 4th of March 2009.

[neolitic]

Not as interesting as Paul's story.
I picked up a pamphlet to ward off
boredom while waiting on the paint shaker
at SW or MAB.
2 years ago?
Then heard squat til it came up at CT.

[Bodger]

It was in a little bar outside of Oshkosh, Wisconsin.

The lighting was subdued and cast a warm glow on my companion, a beautiful woman dog sled trainer from the Inuit tribe. She leaned over, her lips imparting a warmth to my ear and she whispered "EPA lead rule, what you should know".

I felt an immediate fondness from her intimate gesture as she took my hand in hers and led me to her room on that day, the 4th of March 2009.


So I guess in those days the EPA was relying on "Word of Squaw" to promote the program. :grin:

I got a stock tip from a prostitute in lower Manhattan once, but it didn't really pan out.

[SLS-Construction]

NARI newsletter about the RR brochure - then I actually read the d@mn thing

[Bodger]

The EPA seems to be saying that they have publicized this and all contractors should be aware. What method does the EPA claim has been their main method of promoting this and getting the word out?

I'm asking everyone I know that could be affected by this, contractors (some with ongoing projects that could well be affected) and homeowners alike.

I don't think even 5% of the people I have asked have ever heard of RRP.

[Eieio]

I let everyone know last year Bodger.. :rolleyes3: :laugh3: Please tell your LA contracting friends to read Remodel Crazy..

Brock has been certified 5 years


http://www.remodelcrazy.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256

[SLS-Construction]

The EPA seems to be saying that they have publicized this and all contractors should be aware. What method does the EPA claim has been their main method of promoting this and getting the word out?

I'm asking everyone I know that could be affected by this, contractors (some with ongoing projects that could well be affected) and homeowners alike.

I don't think even 5% of the people I have asked have ever heard of RRP.

From the horses mouth - so to speak (a little over 20 days ago)

Liz (Regional Lead Coordinator) was surprised that not more people did not know about the requirements. She kept bringing up that they had been in contact with NARI, NAHB, and other “National” Organizations since 2006. Now seeing that they did not release everything until October of 2009 did not seem to faze her or many of the other items we pointed out, but hearing that the “combined” numbers of the organizations might equal only 15% of the totals seemed to sink in a little.

She also feels that they have done a great job “educating” everyone as they hired a marketing firm, produced one flyer, and talked to all these “National” organizations. Part of their on-going education strategy follows the typical government model that has been used by the ADA, OSHA, and others. The EPA intends to make some high profile big statements in the early days to help get the word out, so be forewarned.

[Eieio]

Great Job Liz!!

[Bodger]

I let everyone know last year Bodger.. :rolleyes3: :laugh3: Please tell your LA contracting friends to read Remodel Crazy..

Brock has been certified 5 years


http://www.remodelcrazy.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256


In DC it will be mandatory for everyone in remodeling to have someone or rely on some one that is certified to work on the homes.


I remember reading about this on RC back then. I thought it would be like asbestos. Call in an abatement firm, client pays, lead gone, git on with the job.

I guess that doesn't work though.

[Bodger]

From the horses mouth - so to speak (a little over 20 days ago)

Liz (Regional Lead Coordinator) was surprised that not more people did not know about the requirements. She kept bringing up that they had been in contact with NARI, NAHB, and other “National” Organizations since 2006. Now seeing that they did not release everything until October of 2009 did not seem to faze her or many of the other items we pointed out, but hearing that the “combined” numbers of the organizations might equal only 15% of the totals seemed to sink in a little.

She also feels that they have done a great job “educating” everyone as they hired a marketing firm, produced one flyer, and talked to all these “National” organizations. Part of their on-going education strategy follows the typical government model that has been used by the ADA, OSHA, and others. The EPA intends to make some high profile big statements in the early days to help get the word out, so be forewarned.


Did the EPA even bother to verify what percentage of contractors affected would be reached by starting with these national organizations?

I'm sure Julio the one man shop paint contractor is a NARI member.

[neolitic]

There seems to be a perception that
we are all members of big "clubs."
NARI and NAHB represent absolutely
everyone in the industry.
Our governor was shocked when he allocated
@ 85% of the weatherization funds to
the IHBA and they only were able to
complete about 10-15% as many homes
as the local community action groups.
I mean gee, shouldn't corporate builders
know everything there is to know about
weatherizing old houses?

[Bodger]

There seems to be a perception that
we are all members of big "clubs."
NARI and NAHB represent absolutely
everyone in the industry.
Our governor was shocked when he allocated
@ 85% of the weatherization funds to
the IHBA and they only were able to
complete about 10-15% as many homes
as the local community action groups.
I mean gee, shouldn't corporate builders
know everything there is to know about
weatherizing old houses?


This whole RRP thing reminds me of high command in the military. If something looks good on paper and makes sense based on what they think they know, they expect it to be executed as if their perception is reality.

Like the hedgerows in Normandy. How can a hedge be a concern with tanks.
Well, when they are eight feet high packed earth, that's a reality.

[Eieio]

There seems to be a perception that
we are all members of big "clubs."
NARI and NAHB represent absolutely
everyone in the industry.
Our governor was shocked when he allocated
@ 85% of the weatherization funds to
the IHBA and they only were able to
complete about 10-15% as many homes
as the local community action groups.
I mean gee, shouldn't corporate builders
know everything there is to know about
weatherizing old houses?

You would of thought the Organizations would have used the opportunity to spread the word about the rule and recruit members.

Instead they seemed to have sat on the info and put it to absolutely no use..

[neolitic]

You would of thought the Organizations would have used the opportunity to spread the word about the rule and recruit members.

Instead they seemed to have sat on the info and put it to absolutely no use..

I wonder why I never cared to hang
all those letters after my name..... http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/neoliticman/smilie/smilieshifty.gif

[Silvertree]

Higgs Boson?

Don' be messing with me Willis!

The Higgs boson is a hypothetical massive scalar elementary particle predicted to exist by the Standard Model in particle physics. At present there are no known elementary scalar particles in nature. The existence of the particle is postulated as a means of resolving inconsistencies in current theoretical physics, and attempts are being made to confirm the existence of the particle by experimentation, using the Large Hadron Collider (LHC). Other theories exist that do not anticipate the Higgs boson, described elsewhere as the Higgsless model.

[Leo G]

So the RRP marketing is similar to the Higgs Boson. They think it exists, but only in the minds of government officials.

[neolitic]

Higgs Boson?

Don' be messing with me Willis!

The Higgs boson is a hypothetical massive scalar elementary particle predicted to exist by the Standard Model in particle physics. At present there are no known elementary scalar particles in nature. The existence of the particle is postulated as a means of resolving inconsistencies in current theoretical physics, and attempts are being made to confirm the existence of the particle by experimentation, using the Large Hadron Collider (LHC). Other theories exist that do not anticipate the Higgs boson, described elsewhere as the Higgsless model.

That's why I'm looking over here,
where the light's better.....

[Leo G]

I heard it from Chris. Not sure if it was here or there, but one of the two places.


Chris: The official bearer of bad news :laugh3:

[neolitic]

So the RRP marketing is similar to the Higgs Boson. They think it exists, but only in the minds of government officials.

Similar.
Just because their publicity
campaign was undetectable,
doesn't prove it didn't exist.

[Leo G]

Exactly what I said.

[Eieio]

Here is a thought..

Maybe they could have included a pamphlet with the census form.

[Leo G]

By then it is already here.

Maybe when you fill out your income taxes and you put some sort of a contracting term in occupation it would generate a need for the pamphlet insert.

Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda
Way to late now.

[Allrounder]

I heard about it either here or on CT. Thanks to all of you who keep the rest of us in the loop!

[wschul]

I think way back in the beginning, when the original brochure came out, we were given some brochures which ere the predecessor of the new brochure which must be given to the customer, I'm not sure which organization was doing this as I wasn't in the official capacity to deal with these matters, but there was talk of changing our contracts back then to include a signature that we had given the pamphlet to the homeowner.

Then I started turning the wheels after reading about the "E"-day deadline in window and door magazine.

[Silvertree]

I first handed out the brochure in 95 I think, but only to people with children.

The brochure has been around for a long time.