latest job

[mmike032]

worked on this last week. this couple seen a house I trimmed and wanted the same stuff in their house along with a bunch of other stuff I havent got to yet.

before
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w305/mmike032/cid__downsized_0629100911.jpg

after
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w305/mmike032/cid__downsized_0702101232a.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w305/mmike032/cid__downsized_0702101233a-1.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w305/mmike032/cid__0702101234.jpg

[mmike032]

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w305/mmike032/cid__0702101235.jpg


heres the masterbath tub
before
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w305/mmike032/cid__0701101356a.jpg

after
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w305/mmike032/cid__0702101232.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w305/mmike032/cid__downsized_0702101224.jpg


still got to build a bookcase, install beadboard on all the porch ceilings, and a few other things....

also she's wanting to make a surround for the front door like the cased opening, and making the stair post raised panels also since she thinks that those areas look bad now that we've added the trim to the COings

[ParamountPaint]

What is that "Relax"? Is that painted on the wall? Trim looks clean, but from a painter perspective I dislike the small "crown" beneath the regular crown. I'd do it, though, if I had a housekeeper to dust it:clap:. Looks real nice!

[neolitic]

Very nice! http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/neoliticman/smilie/smiliethumbsup.gif
Especially the tub niche.
What did you use to fill the tops
of the capitals at the stairway?

[mmike032]

What is that "Relax"? Is that painted on the wall? Trim looks clean, but from a painter perspective I dislike the small "crown" beneath the regular crown. I'd do it, though, if I had a housekeeper to dust it:clap:. Looks real nice!

yea, it says "relax".. I think this lady is an artist cause theres all kinds of stuff like that all over the house along with expensive looking decorations and nick nacks that I'm scared of breaking.

[mmike032]

Very nice! http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/neoliticman/smilie/smiliethumbsup.gif
Especially the tub niche.
What did you use to fill the tops
of the capitals at the stairway?

the caps are 1x6s ripped down to 5" ( I think) so its a solid top

[Leo G]

No one noticed what I complained about huh?

Looks real nice Mike.

[mmike032]

nope, your the only one Leo....

must just be you... haha

[Leo G]

Must be my 18th century training.

[neolitic]

What's Leo bitchin' about?
The keystones on the COs?

[neolitic]

Or the crown is "upside down"?

[mmike032]

he thinks the crown is to big.

[afkama]

Very clean work. :2thumbsup:

I'm curious though why the lintels don't run past the pilasters?

[neolitic]

Was the check too big? http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/neoliticman/smilie/smilielaughing.gif

[Leo G]

I think the crown holding up the header is to big. I think it would have looked much more proportional and flowed better if it was a 3" crown. The way the two crowns line up from the top of the casing to the header just doesn't look right to me.

[neolitic]

You do have a point.

[neolitic]

Keep your hat on,
and no one will notice....

[mmike032]

Very clean work. :2thumbsup:

I'm curious though why the lintels don't run past the pilasters?

huh?........

[afkama]

huh?........

header past the columns

[Leo G]

You do have a point.

uh huh :o

[mmike032]

header past the columns

why should it? would look like poo IMO..
never seen it done that way

but I'm not a classically trained 18th century craftsman like Leo is:laugh3:

[Leo G]

why should it? would look like poo IMO..
never seen it done that way

but I'm not a classically trained 18th century craftsman like Leo is:laugh3:

Self taught, not trained.

Just so you know.

[afkama]

why should it? would look like poo IMO..
never seen it done that way

but I'm not a classically trained 18th century craftsman like Leo is:laugh3:

I think I'm seeing the same thing Leo is. The crown is so large that it makes the header look short.

[neolitic]

I'm not here to pick at it,
but I think if you had done what
either of them suggest, you would
have stolen the thunder from the other.

[OGStilts]

Mike,

Obviously it's very nice work. Pay no attention to Leo, he's compensating for a tiny penis.

But they both have a point. I was trying to find a picture illustrating what they are talking about and this is the best I could come up with.

http://artisanspecialties.com/trim_moulding_pictures/12%20Recessed%20Top%20Left%20Panel%20With%20Single %20Crown%20Moulding.jpg

When you put the same sized crown lower like that you are drawing the eye downward and making the entire element top heavy. Not that the average person would ever notice that.

It's all about proportions, just ask Leo's penis. :grin:

[Leo G]

I suppose that's why I have a 2500 instead of a 1500 too.

[mmike032]

I agree with Leo after seeing that pic. the column crown would look better if I went down a size from the pediment crown.

but as far as the pediment sticking past the columns.... uhhhh
looks like poo to me

I still like mine better than that pic:grin:

but thats why I post on these site.. to get ideas from others and maybe do some things different next time:2thumbsup:

[OGStilts]

I agree Mike, I like yours better than that one too. And please keep posting 'em. It makes us all better.

[Winchester]

so is this post/column bad? the crown sticks out, but I liked it like that

this is my own place. before and after

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_WScAId1yEPY/TDFIBiMVTTI/AAAAAAAABD0/rS5XQ4ZCMHQ/s912/DSC01196.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_WScAId1yEPY/TDFGG8SpenI/AAAAAAAABDc/ccLjptAxxJ0/s640/IMG_20100704_193559.jpg

i can cut up wood, but i'm no designer

[Leo G]

No, that is fine.

[Leo G]

after
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w305/mmike032/cid__downsized_0702101232a.jpg


after
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w305/mmike032/cid__0702101232.jpg


The first pic looks wrong because the under header crown is too big. But the bathroom looks fine because it is a solatairy crown.



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[Dusty]

Very nice! http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/neoliticman/smilie/smiliethumbsup.gif
Especially the tub niche.
What did you use to fill the tops
of the capitals at the stairway?

I like the arch above the bath, but I don't like the pillar like things comming from the bath to the ceiling. It is too busy for my taste.

The new trim sure did dress up the rest of the house. Looks nice.

[Winchester]

oh yeah, and I really like the work mike! what an improvement!

i do agree, though, now that it's been pointed out that the lower crown would look better smaller than the crown over the lintel/header. i wouldn't have noticed unless it was pointed out though.

either way, still looks great

[Leo G]

I played with your photo to get a good representation of what I think would have looked better. Something is a bit off, but I'm not spending anymore time on it as it shows what I mean. Can you see what else I did to the pilaster?

http://fototime.com/197FAF405D4271F/orig.jpg

[nEighter]

http://www.utexas.edu/courses/introtogreece/lect11/a%20architecstyles0002020002.jpg

MIKE BAD ASS!!!!!!

BTW this is Greek architecture and look at the columns, they don't go to the edge.. they stick out. I know crown is different, but to me the openings mimic columns and the column is actually what is holding that piece of structure up..

:2thumbsup:

[WarnerConstInc.]

The trim below supports the trim above it.

Farthest point out should be at the top.

I like the work though, it looks great.

[WarnerConstInc.]

N8, the top is still farther out then the top of the column.

[Winchester]

Yes, it looks better for sure like that N8

the one in og's post just doesn't look right.

[Winchester]

N8, the top is still farther out then the top of the column.

i think we were comparing to OGstiklt's:

[nEighter]

Oic! I still like it but understand what you guys are saying. I want to get into doing these type of build outs. I install crown, but haven't done any of the decorative stuff like what you guys normally do. What does one have to do to get an idea for an area? Is there some type of "rule" for wainscoting? I know that with textures, you have to pick your trim correctly. Dentil (smooth ceilings).. that type of thing. The "rules" to doing trim work.

[WarnerConstInc.]

i think we were comparing to OGstiklt's:

Yeah, OG's is kind of fugly too.

The header should be just short and then the cornice and cap.

[Leo G]

Generally you work in 1/3rds. And if you need to do a rectangular box get as close to 3:4 ratio as you can for a nice proportion.

But nothing is set in stone. It depends on what is in the room already. You need everything to flow in the room. If you have a bunch of straight lines in the room it isn't always wise to start throwing in a bunch of curves because it will interrupt the natural flow of the room.

Look at a lot of 18th century architecture. They have a good proportion and a good mixture of moldings. After staring at it long enough things start to sink in.

[WarnerConstInc.]

I like to use a 1:7 ratio for paneling or wainscoting or what not.

divide ceiling height by 7 and then pick one.

I have a plate rail at about 70" in my dining room, ceilings are just over 10'

[Leo G]

I couldn't find any pics on my current computer that show a pass through similar to Mmike's. Here is a window treatment that I like the proportions to. It was copied as close a s possible from a book of Connecticut 18th century architecture.


http://fototime.com/CD5A69823404F0E/orig.jpg

[neolitic]

It's very pretty, but I think
the apron is a little too light...
I'd like to see it a tad taller/lower.

[neolitic]

G'nite Gracie...

[Leo G]

Seems to happen a lot on 18th century stuff. They like the details up higher. Like I said, this was copied out of an architecture book. I'm sure I copied it pretty closely.

[neolitic]

Seems to happen a lot on 18th century stuff. They like the details up higher. Like I said, this was copied out of an architecture book. I'm sure I copied it pretty closely.

And a fine job you made of it!
I just think it wants a bit more
"weight" at the bottom.
I'm sure the HO was over the moon,
and still is. http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/neoliticman/smilie/smiliethumbsup.gif

[Leo G]

The outside of the window looks like that too. And yes, he was estatic about my millwork. I made two entryways for him also. He told me he wishes that he had hired me to do the trim in the whole house after he saw mine and what he was getting from whoever he hired. I'm sure I would have been double the cost of what he paid, but he was made of money anyway.

[orson]

The trim below supports the trim above it.

Farthest point out should be at the top.

I like the work though, it looks great.

That's what I was thinking too if I'm reading you right, the lower crown should be a supporting moulding with an upward profile rather than curving out.

I agree the craftsmanship looks top notch!

Just need to tweak the design, and if I'm sounding holier than thou I am still very much learning myself.

[bconley]

The only thing I noticed that may be "incorrect" on mmikes stuff was the keystones.
Keystones on the straight beams? and not on the arched beams?
Shouldn't be the other way?
As long as the owners love it! good stuff.

Generally you work in 1/3rds. And if you need to do a rectangular box get as close to 3:4 ratio as you can for a nice proportion
Golden Section29632964

[OGStilts]

Yeah, OG's is kind of fugly too.

The header should be just short and then the cornice and cap.

:surrender: Hey now, for the record that wasn't a picture of my work. That was a pic I found on the internet. I don't do hack work like that. I was just trying to illustrate. :grin:

[mmike032]

some more hack work
enjoy


http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w305/mmike032/cid__0707100917.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w305/mmike032/cid__0708100932.jpg

[mmike032]

this is where they kept the wine cooler, it had glass shelves orginally b/t the walls
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w305/mmike032/cid__0708100932a.jpg

its gonna get a granite top
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w305/mmike032/cid__0708101555a.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w305/mmike032/cid__0708101556.jpg

[mmike032]

I played with your photo to get a good representation of what I think would have looked better. Something is a bit off, but I'm not spending anymore time on it as it shows what I mean. Can you see what else I did to the pilaster?

http://fototime.com/197FAF405D4271F/orig.jpg

looks retarded if ya ask me, but thats just me
carry on