Nothing Lasts Anymore....

[Bodger]

Damn 1X6 doug fir bathroom sub floor gave out after only 84 years....

And you know what's weird about this bathroom? At one time there were two toilets. Not a toilet and a bidet, but two toilets side by side. The current homeowners told me that when they moved in, this guest bathroom had two crappers. The drain and flange for the second one is still there, although it had been tiled over.

Weird. Anyone ever seen that in a residential bathroom?

Lots of fun floor demolition. Had a whopping 4" thickness of cementious float.

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt10/dingoff/fullersubfloor.jpg

[neolitic]

Was your camera double bagged
and Swiffered?

[Allrounder]

looks like a real mess.

[Bodger]

Was your camera double bagged
and Swiffered?


I am bubble boy. :laugh3:

This was a fun one. One of those where someone put drywall over lathe and plaster and then about three layers of wallpaper.

[Eieio]

That looks like every house we demo here. Love the plaster dust..


Have fun..

[Bodger]

Why the hell would they have floated 4" under the floor tile? I don't recall seeing it that thick before.

And 2 1/2" on the walls.
Was it because they were putting it over 2 x6 pine subfloor?

[Bodger]

Why the hell would they have floated 4" under the floor tile? I don't recall seeing it that thick before.

And 2 1/2" on the walls.
Was it because they were putting it over 2 x6 pine subfloor? More prone to allowing cracks than a ply subfloor?

[Allrounder]

Why the hell would they have floated 4" under the floor tile? I don't recall seeing it that thick before.

And 2 1/2" on the walls.
Was it because they were putting it over 2 x6 pine subfloor?

Most of the stuff I demo around here is 1x6 pine subfloor, a layer of tarpaper, and 1-1.5" of mud bed. Maybe they were planning to set some 24" square tiles?

[Eieio]

I have seen them 8-10"'s thick,

They nail wood slats tightly between the joist and pour a solid floor, then level it about 2"- 4"'s over the top of the joists..

The joist heads are usually rounded off..

[Bodger]

This was weird. In the mud bed we also found that they had tossed in some broken tiles. And the bottoms of the sub floor boards we took out were all slightly charred. There had obviously been a fire under the floor at some point in the past.
I asked the HO and she knew nothing about it. Oddly enough, the floor joists showed no sign of the fire, only the sub floor.

Weird house. I was hoping to find a solid gold skull. Do you reckon that would be worth anything?

[Blue]

Way to go Bodger. Looks like you took out all the lead. Now what are the youngins going to naw on when they get a hankerin for some candy?

I like the side by side vomiting portals.

[Bodger]

There you have it, clearly this was the vomitorium. Great idea, especially on Tequila night.

And yeah, no more lead. :laugh3:

[neolitic]

The vomitoria were the passage
"tunnels" to exit the seating area
of arenas and colseums.

[neolitic]

One of those would be a vomitorium.

[Bodger]

One of those would be a vomitorium.


You are correct Sir.
Once again, the benefit of a classical education (even if it might be self-taught) displays itself...

http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-vom1.htm

An access passage in a Roman theatre.

Several decades ago, I was briefly involved with a theatre in west London that had been built in the round. The theatre chairman delighted in referring to the access ways for actors in passages under the seating as the vomitoria, to the confusion and mild disgust of some patrons.

The disgust might merely have been due to the form of the word, but there has also long been an erroneous belief about the purpose of a Roman vomitorium. A classic example appeared in a totally forgotten American publication for children, Evening Round-Up by Col William C Hunter, dated 1915:

The residents of Pompeii had fine plumbing, baths and luxuries. They had a place called a vomitorium. The old Roman sports were gluttons; they stuffed themselves, then went to the vomitorium and threw up so they could eat more.

Though Romans did reputedly deliberately vomit so they could eat more of fine foods, they didn’t have a dedicated place in which to do it, and where they did do it was never called a vomitorium. The word was applied instead to the access ways in Roman theatres or amphitheatres that got the audience to and from their seats. H Rider Haggard, who had earlier written King Solomon’s Mines and She, got it right in his book Pearl-Maiden of 1901, about the fall of Jerusalem:

Beyond lay the broad passage of the vomitorium. They gained it, and in an instant were mixed with the thousands who sought to escape the panic.

There’s some excuse for the error. Latin vomitorium also referred to an emetic and vomere meant to vomit (and indeed is the source of our English word, via French); the figurative idea of an audience suddenly and violently issuing forth at the end of a performance gave rise to its application to an exit.

Having said all that, it turns out that there’s some doubt how often the word was actually used during the Roman period: I’m told it’s rare in Latin literature and the sense doesn’t even appear in some Latin dictionaries.

The theatre world, at least that part of it which works in the round, continues to keep the word alive in a sense that Romans would have understood, though — pace my youthful encounter — it does seem to be used more for access ways for actors than for members of the public.

[Bodger]

So, what do you call a place set up strictly for pukin'?:laugh3:

For me on certain nights it's just out back by the fence.

[bconley]

You guys listen to NPR don't you?
That (Vomitorium) was on "Says You" a couple of weeks ago

[Bodger]

I'm a vomitarian.

[neolitic]

So, what do you call a place set up strictly for pukin'?:laugh3:

For me on certain nights it's just out back by the fence.


Back here it would be
the porcelain bus.
As in, "She's driving the
porcelain bus, and calling Ralph."


You guys listen to NPR don't you?
That (Vomitorium) was on "Says You" a couple of weeks ago

Says You is on in the middle
of the night here, rarely hear it.
Vomitoria came up in an article
about crowd control plans for stadia
many moons ago.
They could empty the Vespasian Colosseum
in just a few minutes with their passage
designs.

[Bodger]

That looks like every house we demo here. Love the plaster dust..


Have fun..


One thing I like about these old houses is they always yield up some nice change orders. This one paid off like a slot machine. Sub floor rotted out, floor joists rotted, one whole length of sole plate came out in crumbling chunks, and a bunch of the stud bottoms were all ate up.

Plus, I changed ordered the extra floor float material and the drywall over the lathe and plaster.

Almost everything matched what I put in the proposal line items too as possible extras, except for the floor cement.

[kevjob]

Why the hell would they have floated 4" under the floor tile? I don't recall seeing it that thick before.
And 2 1/2" on the walls.
Was it because they were putting it over 2 x6 pine subfloor?

same here, 4 inches on floor, 2-2.5 on walls with metal lath wrapping corners, with tile a 2x2 sq weighs in around 75 lbs. The floor is a mud set floor, chopped 45 degree angles on joist to lock mud in, 1x planks attahed to 1x2 ribbons, the ceiling is always fun when you have sawdust, and that nasty grey loose stuff.

Bodger one way to set your self apart at bid time is if you can see the under side of bathroom floor in basement and its mud set you will see the lowered section just under the bath floor, also another key for me is when the hardwood floor outside bath is even with tile floor dead giveaway here for me. Glad I dont work in the field anymore, I used to bring 2-3 changes of clothes on those days.

[neolitic]

Back here the ceiling next to the attic
will have a nice layer of coal soot.
Mmmmmm!

[Bodger]

same here, 4 inches on floor, 2-2.5 on walls with metal lath wrapping corners, with tile a 2x2 sq weighs in around 75 lbs. The floor is a mud set floor, chopped 45 degree angles on joist to lock mud in, 1x planks attahed to 1x2 ribbons, the ceiling is always fun when you have sawdust, and that nasty grey loose stuff.

Bodger one way to set your self apart at bid time is if you can see the under side of bathroom floor in basement and its mud set you will see the lowered section just under the bath floor, also another key for me is when the hardwood floor outside bath is even with tile floor dead giveaway here for me. Glad I dont work in the field anymore, I used to bring 2-3 changes of clothes on those days.

Hardly any basements in Los Angeles, except for those little utility basements for the gravity heater.
I'd have to crawl it.
The joists on this floor had been cut to accommodate the deep float. It's a mess, but it's getting done.

I hear you on the change of clothes. I stopped into a Subway to get a sandwich for lunch. I looked like I had been rummaging in dumpsters or something.

[Blue]

I stopped into a Subway to get a sandwich for lunch.

What kind?

I usually go Italian BMT

[Bodger]

What kind?

I usually go Italian BMT


I go for turkey on italian bread with mustard, mayo, lettuce and those little yellow peppers. And lots of plaster dust.

We took that slab out in big-ass pieces. I cut it with a diamond blade in Skil and then pried up the big ol' chunks. Even with the water spray, that dust was brutal.