Obstacles for Women in Construction

[Eieio]

As a woman in the construction industry is there obstacles that you run into?

Do you feel that being a woman helps or hinders your progress in the field

What makes you good at what you do?

[The Perminator]

Hello, Rory, You asked me to register to say hello and introduce myself. I have a business getting permits for contractors but I do a great deal more than that. Over the years I have learned the codes, taken classes on construction and learned all aspects of jurisdictional control over the building in the metropolitan Atlanta area.
The only thing that I find baffling is when a client calls me for information and then they call the jurisdiction when they don't like the answer, but that is not really a reflection on me.
I am good at what I do because I am detail oriented and I never, never, never give up. Also, my clients know that I won't lie to them nor will I lie for them and that means that the government officials know that they can trust me--so they will work with me to the client's benefit.
I haven't felt that being a woman has hindered my progress in my chosen field, but that doesn't mean that I haven't run slap up against obstacles in my career. Starting my own business cleared up many of those pesky obstacles.

[Silvertree]

What a great name, Perminator.
Welcome, nice to see you. And I can guaranty we all have permit stories.

[Eieio]

Welcome to RC

I use expeditors for many of my jobs in DC. The job would be time consuming for me some times a permit, especially can take months to acquire. How do you charge for your service?

Flat fee? hourly? hybrid of both?

[Len]

Hello and welcome.
Interesting business you have. So many home owners don't understand what a hassle it can be getting all the right paperwork completed and approved.

[WarriorWithWood]

Welcome to RC.

[The Perminator]

Gentlemen, Thank you for your welcomes. Len, homeowners don't understand what it takes to get a permit and their position often is that they own their house and property and they should be able to do what they want. It is difficult for them to understand that they have to abide by zoning laws and overlay districts and don't get me started about the required surveys and the stamped drawings. Unless homeowners are prepared in some way, they do not understand.
Pricing depends on the job and the number of departments that I have to visit. If it is a ground up project I can charge a percentage of the cost of construction or if the job is in a conceptual stage I will charge an hourly fee. Jurisdictions factor into the pricing as well. The less complicated ones cost less and my returning clients get more favorable rates because they know what I need in the drawing sets and provide them up front.
Tomorrow is our WINN meeting. I will mention your forum to the group!

[Eieio]

Hopefully the other women in your organizations will visit the site and chime in. One of the biggest things me and Paul notice was the lack of input from women in the Construction business

We both have great female subs, designers, lighting specialist etc.

But not enough of them voice there opinions on Construction matters or become leaders of groups that shape the industry.

The numbers and roles are growing in numerous organizations, but how can we help the women embrace the business more and feel more active

How can we get them to play a more substantial role?

[The Perminator]

Rory, you and Paul need to ask your subs if they belong to professional organizations and ask them if they would like to join yours. We have great women leaders in NARI, HBA and NKBA in Atlanta and they are women who have been in the business for many many years. Also, see if you have a NAWIC chapter in the area and visit them. Ask them if they would like to come to your meetings.

[Eieio]

Good suggestion and I am not dismissing it but I see how they handle or respond to the women at the local meetings. No one talks about it but they are not treated as equals.

A lot of the guys have the mentality that ooh that just a girl talking or she a woman what does she know about construction, very few of them break through that barrier

[The Perminator]

That is why it would be a good idea for you to attend their meetings on their turf. It would behoove you to speak up for these women at your meetings and others would follow your example. Yes, a lot of guys do have the mentality that girls know nothing about construction, but you know better, don't you? I know as a woman how hard it is to walk into that meeting with all those guys the very first time and other women I have spoken with had the same experience. That didn't stop us, though! Ten years ago when I walked into my first NARI meeting the president greeted me and introduced me to some other members. That single act made all the difference. It looks as though you could make the difference to women in construction in your area.

[Ed The Roofer]

For your viewing and listening pleasure.

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Ed

[The Perminator]

That's very sweet. It brought back memories. There is a whole generation of women who have no idea what it was like back then just trying to make a living. And those dreadful halter tops!

[Mike(VA)]

Welcome, Perminator. Glad to see you can give it and take it with the rest of us. http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/animated/anim_12.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)

[Silvertree]

Woman in the group make it more complete.

I would like to see the woman form their own agenda and be invited, also I would be for allowing the woman to moderate, actually they would have too.

Men in a group (if they wanted) and Thunderdome for all.

You can form private groups now.

Men that wear snakeskin cowboy boots for example.

[The Perminator]

Thank you, Mike!

[Eieio]

That's very sweet. It brought back memories. There is a whole generation of women who have no idea what it was like back then just trying to make a living. And those dreadful halter tops!

Wait a minute your profile says your 25. What do you know about halter tops

[Silvertree]

I am going to a barbeque tomorrow tomorrow that an associate is having, it will be more woman than men.

Also the person I'm meeting and doing an article on is a friend and president of Mpls NARI, and a woman.
We don't always agree, but we always stay friends.

[The Perminator]

Did I say 25? (Halter tops should be illegal.) Great, Silvertree! Enjoy the barbecue! Who is the president of the Mpls NARI? Is that a large chapter? I heard somewhere that the midwest NARI's have a lot of members. Maybe at the national meeting last April. Our WINN group volunteered for that event. I talked about Remodel Crazy at the WINN meeting and someone recognized Ed the Roofer! Small world!

[Eieio]

Did I say 25? (Halter tops should be illegal.) Great, Silvertree! Enjoy the barbecue! Who is the president of the Mpls NARI? Is that a large chapter? I heard somewhere that the midwest NARI's have a lot of members. Maybe at the national meeting last April. Our WINN group volunteered for that event. I talked about Remodel Crazy at the WINN meeting and someone recognized Ed the Roofer! Small world!

Halter tops should be legal. "That is our first argument"

Thanks for the mention at the group I hope the women visit and like what they see. We really want them to feel at home here.

Edtheroofer is a god living among mortals.

When I become rich and famous "again" and build my next house, Ed is going to put on the golden shingles I always wanted

[sparkydave]

having ladies on board? grrreat! Halter top? Not until gravity is repealled. I'm old enough to remember...

[Silvertree]

Did I say 25? (Halter tops should be illegal.) Great, Silvertree! Enjoy the barbecue! Who is the president of the Mpls NARI? Is that a large chapter? I heard somewhere that the midwest NARI's have a lot of members. Maybe at the national meeting last April. Our WINN group volunteered for that event. I talked about Remodel Crazy at the WINN meeting and someone recognized Ed the Roofer! Small world!

The president is Stacey Quinn, a very capable person and fun to hang with.
We have about 430 members, almost half contractors and half associates. A very active group with 200 to 300 showing up for meetings.
We have a few woman contractors and many associates that are woman, who knows the exact numbers? Its a friendly crowd and pretty lively. All the meetings are catered.
Our next spotlight member on Remodel Crazy will be the mother/ daughter appliance sales owners of MJ's contract appliance. Monique is one of our NARI directors and is a great person to have for a friend. She joined RC a few days ago.

[The Perminator]

Hey, you guys are the first to know this: when you get your June/July issue of the NARI Remodelers magazine, before you drop it in the magazine basket in your office bathroom, turn to pages 10 and 11 and read the article about the Atlanta NARI WINN group! We are all available for autographs....

[sparkydave]

Hey, you guys are the first to know this: when you get your June/July issue of the NARI Remodelers magazine, before you drop it in the magazine basket in your office bathroom, turn to pages 10 and 11 and read the article about the Atlanta NARI WINN group! We are all available for autographs....

Hey, nice perm. No, no, I meant- Nice, Perm! I can be such a $%^&>.
Glad you are here and keeping us updated.

Dave

[Eieio]

Hey, you guys are the first to know this: when you get your June/July issue of the NARI Remodelers magazine, before you drop it in the magazine basket in your office bathroom, turn to pages 10 and 11 and read the article about the Atlanta NARI WINN group! We are all available for autographs....




I'll take one of each if the autograph's are written on photos of the group members?

Congratulations on the write in the Magazine I get it in the office I will look out for the article

[Century Man]

If we're not NARI members then how do we get to read the article?

[Silvertree]

Well you could join, or we could post the article.

[Mike(VA)]

Why should I join? I'm waiting for the new org to materialize.

[Silvertree]

There really is one, when they roll it out? I don't know. There are always new groups to replace establishment groups, that the American way.

Here's the link for the Atlanta group.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=atlanta+nari+winn+group&aq=f&oq=&aqi=&fp=XDVqq10Z7K4

Top of the page NARI Atlanta July August issue.

[The Perminator]

Thank you all, gentlemen! And as far as I know, none of us has perms! I will check on the autographs....
Silvertree, how was the barbecue?

[Ed The Roofer]

Did I say 25? (Halter tops should be illegal.) Great, Silvertree! Enjoy the barbecue! Who is the president of the Mpls NARI? Is that a large chapter? I heard somewhere that the midwest NARI's have a lot of members. Maybe at the national meeting last April. Our WINN group volunteered for that event.

I talked about Remodel Crazy at the WINN meeting and someone recognized Ed the Roofer! Small world!

Why does that surprise you?

One way or another, my name usually surfaces amongst a meeting of women.

I am internationally famous, or is that infamous?

Actually, in the next 1-2 months, I am going to be the featured contractor in a national roofing publication. :builder2:

They used to choose 1 contractor per month, then layed off from it since last December, probably because everyone else was already chosen and realized their mistake by omitting my bio and profile.

They expect the female readership to soar upon that publication, or so I am told. :grin:

Ed

[Eieio]

Why does that surprise you?

One way or another, my name usually surfaces amongst a meeting of women.

I am internationally famous, or is that infamous?

Actually, in the next 1-2 months, I am going to be the featured contractor in a national roofing publication. :builder2:

They used to choose 1 contractor per month, then layed off from it since last December, probably because everyone else was already chosen and realized their mistake by omitting my bio and profile.

They expect the female readership to soar upon that publication, or so I am told. :grin:

Ed

As a moderator of this forum I am going to respectfully decline commenting on this post :rolleyes3:

[RCP]

Why does that surprise you?

One way or another, my name usually surfaces amongst a meeting of women.

I am internationally famous, or is that infamous?

Actually, in the next 1-2 months, I am going to be the featured contractor in a national roofing publication. :builder2:

They used to choose 1 contractor per month, then layed off from it since last December, probably because everyone else was already chosen and realized their mistake by omitting my bio and profile.

They expect the female readership to soar upon that publication, or so I am told. :grin:

Ed


Can't wait to see the centerfold!

[Century Man]

Why does that surprise you?

One way or another, my name usually surfaces amongst a meeting of women.

I am internationally famous, or is that infamous?

Actually, in the next 1-2 months, I am going to be the featured contractor in a national roofing publication. :builder2:

They used to choose 1 contractor per month, then layed off from it since last December, probably because everyone else was already chosen and realized their mistake by omitting my bio and profile.

They expect the female readership to soar upon that publication, or so I am told. :grin:

Ed

Ed, that doesn't look like your writing style. Did you cut and paste that from a roofer in Jacksonville?

[Ed The Roofer]

Ed, that doesn't look like your writing style. Did you cut and paste that from a roofer in Jacksonville?

An obvious reference to some of us on other roofing forums, LOL.

I was thinking of him as I posted that and figured he would be proud, but also would have posted that first.

Ed

[The Perminator]

Well, Gentlemen and Ladies, here's the article! You have to page over to 10-11.

Uh, oh! I can't post the link! I got a nastygram saying I don't have enough posts yet. :censored:

But If I said,

dubya3times dot nari dash digital dot com backslash nari backslash 20090607 backslash bracket backslash url bracket

I bet I can get by the Forum police! :laugh3:

We expediters ALWAYS find a wa

Ed, I will mention to Mary what a humble and unassuming guy you are.

Jean

http://www.nari-digital.com/nari/20090607/?u1=texterity

[RCP]

Why does that surprise you?

One way or another, my name usually surfaces amongst a meeting of women.

I am internationally famous, or is that infamous?

Actually, in the next 1-2 months, I am going to be the featured contractor in a national roofing publication. :builder2:

They used to choose 1 contractor per month, then layed off from it since last December, probably because everyone else was already chosen and realized their mistake by omitting my bio and profile.

They expect the female readership to soar upon that publication, or so I am told. :grin:

Ed

Nice article, sounds like a great group, I'd like to hear more about the "Netweaving" :2thumbsup:

Here is the link for the article. (http://www.nari-digital.com/nari/20090607/)

[Eieio]

http://www.nari-digital.com/nari/20090607/?u1=texterity

Article on the ladies of NARI in Hotlanta WINN

[The Perminator]

Bob Littell is the guy who came up with the concept of Netweaving and has written a few books about it. If you saw the movie Pay It Forward, you get the concept. Bob Littell wrote the Heart of Netweaving after he saw the movie. It is an intriguing concept.

I got censored again. :censored:

dubya 3times, dot netweaving dot com

You can't stop me!

Jean

[Eieio]

Bob Littell is the guy who came up with the concept of Netweaving and has written a few books about it. If you saw the movie Pay It Forward, you get the concept. Bob Littell wrote the Heart of Netweaving after he saw the movie. It is an intriguing concept.

I got censored again. :censored:

dubya 3times, dot netweaving dot com

You can't stop me!

Jean

4 more post and your there :mad2:

[The Perminator]

Here's one more!

[Eieio]

Here's one more!

Urban Dictionary

1.perminator

Person or thing with a monstrously curly hairstyle. His/ her/ or it's hair should be geled to the max and should have a metallic shine.

Hairdresser: hope you enjoy your perm mrs..
Perminator: Yes, and I'll Be Back.

any comments?

[The Perminator]

I have a lot of work to do this weekend. Where will I get the gel and the metallic stuff?
Yea, I'll be back.

[Eieio]

I have a lot of work to do this weekend. Where will I get the gel and the metallic stuff?
Yea, I'll be back.

K mart. One more post and you can post a link. What's your sign? :mad2:

[kornerking]

Did she pass away?