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Eieio
August 29th, 2009, 10:00 AM
Q I read wildly varying figures for the cost of remodeling a kitchen. What is the real cost today if I use an experienced contractor?

A Most publications will have you believe that bathrooms can be remodeled for $10,000 to $20,000, kitchens for $20,000 to $50,000, and additions built for $50,000 to $100,000.

While these prices no doubt work in some areas, and may suffice for owner-built work with no labor costs, we know they are way too low for much of the professional work in the Bay Area.

In our area, for professionally built work, expect to spend at least $30,000 to $50,000 for bathroom remodels, $80,000 to $150,000 for kitchens, and $250,000 to $500,000 for additions.

Why are the "real" costs so much more than reported?

One factor is this: Have you ever asked a friend what they paid for their house or car and gotten an answer that seemed like they just got an unbelievable deal? You are left wondering how that could be because you paid considerably more for your home/car/loan.

This is also what happens with remodeling costs. Often magazines, your friends, neighbors, architects and contractors underplay the real cost of doing the work to make it more appealing.

Another reason the real costs of work might be underplayed has to do with property taxes. To reduce permit costs and any reassessments (this applies only in California),
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there is a temptation to underreport costs, which reduces your property taxes.

For example, let's say your house is worth $500,000, and you sign a contract to do $200,000 of remodeling. Perhaps you bought your home when it only cost $250,000, so your property taxes are low.

When the home is remodeled, counties cannot increase the value of the entire home, but they can up the assessed value by the amount of the improvements — in this example, $200,000.

To reduce this effect, many owners understate the value of the improvement, perhaps in this case claiming that the improvements added only $100,000 of value.

I have even had clients successfully argue that their new kitchen and bath did not add any value, since they already had one anyway!

If remodeling costs were understated to save on property taxes, and if these figures were used to calculate the costs of improvements, the figures would be artificially low.

Similarly, building permit fees are based in large part on the stated value of the improvements. Again, there is a tendency of owners to understate the value to save on permit fees.

In addition, building professionals tend to be optimistic when it comes to the costs of improvements. This is natural, because if they throw in every possible cost, they may not get the work. Owners often award the work to designers and builders who "tell them what they want to hear." Architects and builders may be tempted to underestimate costs to stay competitive, especially in this tough market.

If this information makes you feel vulnerable to being lowballed, then you are getting the message. Be cautious of ballpark prices and media reports and academic studies, because they will tend to be low for the reasons mentioned above.

I recommend you interview several local providers and ask them to give you a realistic idea of price — not high, not low, but realistic.

After talking to at least three professionals, you should have a good idea of the actual price range. With any luck, the estimates will be close enough to let you make a "go, no-go" decision with some confidence.

Link

http://www.mercurynews.com/homeandgarden/ci_13217767?nclick_check=1

naptownCr
August 29th, 2009, 04:26 PM
Funny article

Even funnier is that people around here think it can be done for 1/4 1/2 the numbers they were quoting.

Leo G
August 29th, 2009, 04:39 PM
My favorite is when they invite you out to bid a job and when you submit the bid they say you are high and so and so can do it for less. But we want you to do the job, just lower your price to mr. hacks level and it is yours.

naptownCr
August 29th, 2009, 04:52 PM
My favorite is when they invite you out to bid a job and when you submit the bid they say you are high and so and so can do it for less. But we want you to do the job, just lower your price to mr. hacks level and it is yours.


You can buy a Yugo or an s class Mercedes
You cannot however buy the Mercedes for the same price as the Yugo

Eieio
August 29th, 2009, 05:05 PM
This was my response to a question asked by google girl it applies again here

Validating a question like why should you choose me is moot to me.

I brand my company a certain way.

I spend a lot of time marketing and continuing to brand my company as one of the best.

No one goes into the BMW dealer asking why should I by your car??

You grow your reputation to the point that when a customer call you they have scene, heard and realizes your worth.

Answering a question like that marginalizes my company and lumps me with all the others.

You call me out to your house for a reason and when I answer the phone all the way up to the point that I give you my estimate and presentation you should see quality and value in my company.

If you did not and ask me that question there is no reply and I probably don't want to work for you at that point because you did no see the value that I offer.

There was a failure of communication if we reach that conversation.

My price is not optional or open for discussion. My fee is for my time as a professional to diagnosis and assess your problem.

The sooner contractors realize they are not commodities the sooner the consumers will get the hint.

When you call me you know that you want my service and I do not have to sell you on that.

And its not just the slick trucks and fancy ads that do this, it is building a steady stream of happy clients, designers, customers, neighbors etc. They spread the word for you.


I am the BMW 7 series with all the options can you afford me or do want the Pinto.

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naptownCr
August 29th, 2009, 05:42 PM
This was my response to a question asked by google girl it applies again here

Hear hear this is the way things are supposed to be

dollysep09
November 6th, 2009, 07:18 AM
Hello,

My friend referred me a link which is related home remodeling, It also has

detailed information related to kitchen and bathroom remodeling . If anybody

have interest , can check out it.

Silvertree
November 6th, 2009, 07:51 AM
Oh, that must be handy for homeowners looking for good professionals/

Is it free for contractors?
I use Service Magic when I need to hire people.

orson
November 6th, 2009, 08:17 AM
Hello,

My friend referred me a link which is related home remodeling, It also has

detailed information related to kitchen and bathroom remodeling . If anybody

have interest , can check out it.

I don't get it, where is the "detailed information"?

All it seems to do is try to get a person's information to generate a lead that can be sold.

Looks useless, what am I missing?

Silvertree
November 6th, 2009, 08:30 AM
That's why I use Service Magic for all my contractor needs.
I can get 20 free estimates for my bathroom. What can be better than that?

kevjob
November 6th, 2009, 08:34 AM
So i used that site you posted and filled out all the info with architects plans etc.. range of 8k to 10 for 65 sq ft gut and redo of a bathroom. :thumbsdown:

ChrWright
November 6th, 2009, 09:26 AM
So i used that site you posted and filled out all the info with architects plans etc.. range of 8k to 10 for 65 sq ft gut and redo of a bathroom. :thumbsdown:

Well that was fast... I didn't even get a chance to laugh at it myself... :grin::rolleyes3:

Blue
November 6th, 2009, 06:39 PM
Hello,

My friend referred me a link which is related home remodeling, It also has

detailed information related to kitchen and bathroom remodeling . If anybody

have interest , can check out it.

You need take engrish class and then repost your infro.

Eieio
November 6th, 2009, 06:41 PM
So i used that site you posted and filled out all the info with architects plans etc.. range of 8k to 10 for 65 sq ft gut and redo of a bathroom. :thumbsdown:

Is that 8-10k to much??? :laugh3: