You are being watched.

[Leo G]

If you have an iPhone or iPad then you have a secret file that is in your phone that has a detailed list of everywhere that phone has been while on. It is in a hidden file and records GPS info including a time stamp.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/04/20/apple-iphone-users-beware-location-tracking/

[nEighter]

Microsoft has had stuff in their operating systems for YEARS the nsakey was first found in XP? maybe 2000.. wait a minute.. it was actually back in Win NT.. I am pretty sure that is right.. can't remember. The feds actually helped MS make Vista.. basically they want the ability to get into anyone's cache and see where you have been or gone.. what you are doing.. etc.. what else are they going to fill all those servers filled with harddrives that are submerged in water to keep cool?

NSAKEY info (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSAKEY)

Fernandes published his discovery, touching off a flurry of speculation and development of numerous conspiracy theories. If the private half of that key were actually owned by the United States National Security Agency, the NSA (as suggested by the name), it would allow that intelligence agency to subvert any Windows user's security.

[Len]

Now some police departments have mobile hardware to download ALL your content from your phone in minutes, and don't need a warrant to do it.
http://www.examiner.com/libertarian-in-national/michigan-state-police-download-cell-phone-data-during-routine-traffic-stop

[orson]

If you have an iPhone or iPad then you have a secret file that is in your phone that has a detailed list of everywhere that phone has been while on. It is in a hidden file and records GPS info including a time stamp.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/04/20/apple-iphone-users-beware-location-tracking/

No wonder the battery drains so fast. :rolleyes3:

[nEighter]

Now some police departments have mobile hardware to download ALL your content from your phone in minutes, and don't need a warrant to do it.
http://www.examiner.com/libertarian-in-national/michigan-state-police-download-cell-phone-data-during-routine-traffic-stop

how is that legal?! I had a buddy who was falsely accused of breaking into a DMV and stealing the computers and all the stuff to make id's.. he was innocent and this was about 15+ yrs ago.. but he was growing at the time. He had a pad lock on the door and they could not search that padlock to the closet because they would need a specific warrant to look in there.. to get an okay to open the door that was locked. Same way with your glove box in your vehicle.

I don't see how a police dept can do that.. or what they hope to get from it? What are they putting together databases of this type of stuff? How you know who you know? Facebook pretty much took care of that.. the more you are connected the more you are profiled.

http://histoforum.digischool.nl/lesmateriaal/animalfarm.jpg

[angus242]

"Wondering why your iPhone and 3G-enabled iPad are storing your general location in an easily accessible database on your PC? It's simple. Apple uses this information to build a cell tower and Wi-Fi access point location database, and the company admitted as much last year. At least that's my theory. Let's take a look."

Full article: (http://www.pcworld.com/article/225845/why_apple_tracks_you_via_iphone_its_not_why_you_th ink.html)

[Greg from K/W]

Told ya's to buy a BlackBerry. Bu tno wouldn't listen to me now would ya?

[kevjob]

Told ya's to buy a BlackBerry. Bu tno wouldn't listen to me now would ya?


I did I did!!!:2thumbsup::laugh3:

Pretty sure that should be illegal.. More BS from our criminals in office.

[nEighter]

got teh bb too.

[bconley]

The gps info doesn't go anywhere except to your itunes.
It is a bug.
A few reality checks, lest I inadvertently do a Glenn Beck number on all of you, here:


This database isn’t storing GPS data. It’s just making a rough location fix based on nearby cell towers. The database can’t reveal where you were…only that you were in a certain vicinity. Sometimes it’s miles and miles off. This implies that the logfile’s purpose is to track the performance of the phone and the network, and not the movements of the user.
A third party couldn’t get access to this file without physical access to your computer or your iPhone. Not unless you’ve jailbroken your iPhone and didn’t bother resetting its remote-access password… or there’s an unpatched exploit that would give Random Person On The Internet root access to your phone.
It’s pretty much a non-issue if you’ve clicked the “Encrypt iPhone Backup” option in iTunes. Even with physical access to your desktop, a no-goodnik wouldn’t be able to access the logfile.

http://osxdaily.com/2011/04/21/paranoid-about-iphone-ipad-location-tracking-encrypt-your-ios-backups/

[Len]

Yeah as far as the Apple file this is not new or secret, really just someone trying to grab headlines suspiciously timed with Apples earnings call. It was well documented and published months before this recent headline.

Either way, it is not secret, malicious, or hidden. Users still have to approve location access to any application and have the ability to instantly turn off location services to applications inside the Settings menu on their device. That does not stop the generation of these logs, however, it simply prevents applications from utilizing the APIs to access the data.
https://alexlevinson.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/3-major-issues-with-the-latest-iphone-tracking-discovery/

We should be aware though that these devices have great potential for privacy breaches and identity theft.

[Bodger]

Has Apple issued a statement about this?

As to the cops accessing your cell phone info without a warrant, there is big debate going on about that regarding 4th Amendment violation. Once someone gets popped for something and that kind of evidence is introduced, we'll see a precedent and a challenge, with an appeal in a circuit court no doubt.

[naptownCr]

So there is a lesson to be learned here.
Turn off the I phone prior to going to the Massage Parlor for "stress relief"

[Bodger]

So there is a lesson to be learned here.
Turn off the I phone prior to going to the Massage Parlor for "stress relief"

One of the stories I read last night I think said that turning off the phone does not disable the tracking feature.

[Leo G]

Oh, now that would be sweet huh? Now you have to take the battery out of it?

[naptownCr]

Removing the battery is no small feat with an Iphone.

[Len]

Has Apple issued a statement about this?

As to the cops accessing your cell phone info without a warrant, there is big debate going on about that regarding 4th Amendment violation. Once someone gets popped for something and that kind of evidence is introduced, we'll see a precedent and a challenge, with an appeal in a circuit court no doubt.

You are right and I hope more people pay attention and participate in this. It's currently a free for all because for some reason the stuff on your phone is not considered 'property' under the current law. The same way wireless companies currently have services set up for law enforcement (maybe others) to just log on, put in your phone number and are given real time location data about you, again without any warrants because location data is not considered property.

[Bodger]

California cops can now use your license plate to run info through the CA State Dept. of Justice to see what firearms, if any, are registered in your name.

That's scary. Could turn a pullover for a minor traffic infraction into a felony stop procedure just because the cops think you might be packing a hand cannon when the registry shows what you own.

Face down and cuffed because you show ownership of a .357 magnum. The government just can't get enough of violating our rights, and the less we complain, the more they will get away with it.

I would still love to hear Apple's reasoning for installing this tracking feature.

As to the cops checking phones, if you have it in a locked container, even a soft case with a lock and do not give consent to a search, they can't open it without a warrant.
This is how I transport all of my firearms. And I would exercise my Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights with all police. You don't talk, and you don't give search consent, they have a hard time in court unless they lie.

[nEighter]

and you must tell them now they have to read your rights.. they don't do anything to preserve our rights any longer. Not the america I grew up in that is for sure.

[Bodger]

and you must tell them now they have to read your rights.. they don't do anything to preserve our rights any longer. Not the america I grew up in that is for sure.


The Second and Fourth Amendments are the ones most endangered. And the ones the cops are most likely to violate, or make it easy for you to inadvertently waive those rights.

"Do you know why I pulled you over?" is a classic example of a cop's way of getting you to admit guilt. They give a rat's ass whether or not you know why they pulled you over, they just want you to blurt out a confession.

"Do you have any weapons or drugs in your vehicle."

You don't have to answer that, and unless the cop has reasonable articulable suspicion that you do have those things, he can't toss your truck.

And it's NOT illegal to have a weapon in your car if it's of the legal kind and properly stored or secured.

The CHP likes to sit at on the roads that lead in and out of outdoor firing ranges in SoCal and pull guys over. They will ask what is in the cases, and if you tell them it's guns, they then have the right to check to see if it's loaded or not, and they don't need your permission.
They are fishing for unregistered assault weapons, and any Evil Black Rifle (EBR) will do, because some of them don't know the laws on what qualifies as an assault rifle anyway.

If you exercise your fifth amendment right, the cop can't get to the next step with you.

I've only been stopped once, and I said: "Officer, I don't want to answer any questions and I do not consent to a search of my vehicle. Am I free to go or am I being detained?"

Most cops don't wanna mess with that.

[Ed The Roofer]

The UFED can extract data from a phone, or directly from the SIM card.When extracting from phone, the UFED connects to the phone via cable,Bluetooth or infrared, and the data is read logically from the phone. It alsoperforms a physical extraction from SIM cards, allowing extraction ofadditional data such as deleted SMS, ICCID, IMSI, location information and more...

From cellibrite information site for law enforcement and military parties.

Ed

[Leo G]

Another interesting article

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2011-04-25-iphone-tracking.htm

[Leo G]

Google Calls Location Data 'Valuable'



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703703304576297450030517830.html?m od=googlenews_wsj