Plaster Restoration

[JasonW]

Here's a new job we started this week with some repair, some restoration, and some replacement. Be careful not to slip on the plastic as you walk through these pictures!:laugh3:

The first few are the pic's before we started and the rest are where we're at after covering up the pews and doing a little demo work today. There was wall board patches in areas of the back wall that we are removing and a huge area that had the plaster fall off when the foundation was fixed last year.

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[JasonW]

This is were we're at today.

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[Leo G]

R r p?



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[ParamountPaint]

R r p?



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No RRP on commercial, yet.

I know plenty about fixing church plaster...

[JasonW]

No RRP on commercial, yet.

I know plenty about fixing church plaster...

Is there a difference in church plaster and home plaster?:mad2::laugh3:

They only do church every other week in this place. It also serves as a community center. Just doing my best to impress and not make a huge mess out of the place while demo is going on.:2thumbsup:

No church this Sunday so we are hitting it hard this week and next.

[ParamountPaint]

Is there a difference in church plaster and home plaster?:mad2::laugh3:

They only do church every other week in this place. It also serves as a community center. Just doing my best to impress and not make a huge mess out of the place while demo is going on.:2thumbsup:

No church this Sunday so we are hitting it hard this week and next.

Church plaster is older? IDK. When I did that church, they moved their gatherings to the basement. I didn't cover the carpet, but I had the $$$ to replace it if needed. It cleaned up fine, even after I sprayed the ceilings with dry fall.

[JasonW]

Church plaster is older? IDK. When I did that church, they moved their gatherings to the basement. I didn't cover the carpet, but I had the $$$ to replace it if needed. It cleaned up fine, even after I sprayed the ceilings with dry fall.

They didn't move a damn thing for me!:surrender: I got piano's and all types of crap I gotta move around.:censored:

[ParamountPaint]

They didn't move a damn thing for me!:surrender: I got piano's and all types of crap I gotta move around.:censored:

Oh, they didn't move their stuff...just themselves. I am interested in your plaster products...base and finish.

[nEighter]

damn using tyvek!? You wanna send some monies muh way there jason!?? :laugh3:

Nothing like a $150.00 roll of tyvek doubling as a drop cloth :mad2:

[nEighter]

Glad you got this work Jason!

[JasonW]

Oh, they didn't move their stuff...just themselves. I am interested in your plaster products...base and finish.

Finish coat will be 65% lime putty and 35% plaster of paris. I may have to add silica depending on what I decide to use for scratch and base coats. They have also elected to go with the fiber-mesh under the finish coat.

[JasonW]

damn using tyvek!? You wanna send some monies muh way there jason!?? :laugh3:

Nothing like a $150.00 roll of tyvek doubling as a drop cloth :mad2:

It was a left over 3' roll. Cost = $0

[nEighter]

just pokin fun man :)

[WarriorWithWood]

Lookin good Jason, are you personally going to be doing the plastering?

[DavidC]

That's got to be some rewarding work to perform Jason. Maker her nice.

Good Luck
Dave

[JasonW]

Thanks everyone. Yes Dave, very rewarding indeed. American author, Robert E Frost taught many students in this church a long time ago. He would also have readings of his books and passages here. Pretty nice piece of history.

Dennis, I will be doing all of the hands on work from start to finish. As a side note, I found yet another use for that multi-master. The round grout removing cutter works great to open up the cracks so they can be filled in with a substantial amount of plaster in order to do the repairs. Sure beats trying to open them up with a utility knife or a chisel! Took less than 1/3 of the time. The last picture posted is a good example.

[WarriorWithWood]

Cool.:2thumbsup:

[JasonW]

Got a few good days in. We've got 2 walls of remaining plaster stabilized. Wood lath re-attached or replaced were needed. and the second picture we have the metal diamond lath in place and ready for the scratch coat!

Tomorrow we'll finish putting up the metal lath on the back wall in the first picture and do all the patching to the areas that need it on the existing plaster.

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[nEighter]

looks great! :builder2:

[bconley]

What a cool job!
I wish there was more work like that around here, unfortunately the old ones get torn down to make room for the new.

[JasonW]

Found a piece of ply-wood from an old repair that failed. We removed it and replaced it with traditional wood lath.

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Here's a few pictures of the metal lath over the original wood lath. This will ensure we have a great bond for the new plaster.

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The muti-master seems to have no limit to it's practicality, I'm back cutting the original plaster here in order to key in the new plaster behind it. Makes quick work to open cracks in the wall too.

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[WarriorWithWood]

Jason, what kind of nailing pattern are you using on the metal lath?

[JasonW]

Jason, what kind of nailing pattern are you using on the metal lath?

Every 6" through the wood lath and to the framing where the studs are. Also using a stainless 1" staple with a 1/4" crown to hold it down on every lath around the windows and on the laps. I hit it in the field to lay down those irritating bulges you get once in a while.

[JasonW]

Adding a few more progress pictures. We've got all the metal lath installed (demo is done). Just about finished with the scratch coat and now proceeding with the brown coat (last picture).

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[Eieio]

Looking good Jason.. are on schedule so far? I know that work is tedious.

[JasonW]

So far, so good Rory. I figured about 6 to 7 weeks for this job with two of us working at it. We're at 3 1/2 now.

[nEighter]

I don't know I am asking.. couldn't this be an awesome job for a MarkV? Spraying the plaster? I am not sure you can spray plaster.. I am asking? Can you?

[JasonW]

I really don't think this type of plaster would run through a sprayer. The finish coat might be definitely not the base coats. This stuff sets in about 1/2 hour.

[Greg from K/W]

Nice work Jason its a pleasure to see what and how you did this work. Good on ya. Can't wait to see the finish picks.

[kevjob]

Nice to see an artisan at work. Great job blending old technology with new. Kudos Jason!!:2thumbsup:

[JasonW]

My wife stopped out today and took a few pictures while I was working.

Yes Dennis, I was working. :mad2:

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[WarriorWithWood]

Yes Dennis, I was working. :mad2:


Come on, all you did was pose while Mick was doing everything, if you were working you'd at least have some on you somewhere.:laugh3:






In all seriousness it's looking good.:2thumbsup:

[JasonW]

Base coats are done now. Came out to be over 2500 pounds (dry). Picked up the finish coat today but first we'll do a major clean up and re-tape all the plastic in place. The clients and the Architect are very happy so far. They must be because I put in my bill this morning before I left the house, got an email approving payment from the Architect before I got to the job, and the treasurer showed up with a check before lunch!

Gotta love that!

[DavidC]

My wife stopped out today and took a few pictures while I was working.

Yes Dennis, I was working. :mad2:

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I'm not sure what it is that makes it but this photo has a classic appeal to it. Might be the window lighting, or the classic windows themselves. The drop cloth foreground and old plaster background work well. What ever it is, it even overpowers the ugly old worker that would usually kill the shot.

I'd use that photo for promotions.

Good Luck
Dave

[Leo G]

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[kornerking]

Leo, that looks like a "Tuff" guy.

[Allrounder]

Great looking job Jason, true plastering is a lost art.

[JasonW]

All cleaned up and going into our final lap for the plaster part of this work. The first picture shows the bonding agent applied to the base coat. We'll apply fiber mesh to this and then the final finish coat over that.

The next wall will be ready for the bonding agent on Monday. Hope to have both these walls done by the end of the day on Weds.:2thumbsup:

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[JasonW]

Started our finish coat today. The bag we were working out of had tiny little chunks in it and really ruined the finish. Pulled out early so we could get a flour sifter to put the bags through before we mix.

Wasn't what I was expecting at all but we're ready for anything now. Tomorrow will be a better day. Temps are going into the 90's so we are leaving for the job at 5 am to get a early start and miss the afternoon heat.

[kornerking]

Great looking job Jason, true plastering is a lost art.

I gets plastered on a reg basis. ( Not as often as a certain member from KC though):grin:

[ParamountPaint]

Jason. Is that Plasterweld? It looks like the same shade of pink as the stuff I use.

[JasonW]

Yes it is. We have new plaster, old plaster, plaster covered with liner that wouldn't come off, you name it. This will insure a good even bond for the finish coat in all areas.

[JasonW]

Rough going this week. Took Monday off to get caught up on my window work and the high heat made things difficult for the finish coat. On top of that, we had to clean up for an event they are having this weekend. We still made some progress though.

Finish coat completed.

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Got this wall started.

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Back wall is prepped out for finish coat. An important note; you'll see 2 white spots on the wall just above the door and to the right. Remember, some of this wall had paper liner on the original plaster and we scraped off all the loose paper. Sometimes when wetting the paper with the bonding agent it will loosen up more. It's important to double check at this point and remove anything that needs it.

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[Leo G]

Real plaster can be a pain. If you notice it is drying to quick back off on the amount of sand you add into it. The more sand, the faster it kicks.

[ParamountPaint]

Real plaster can be a pain. If you notice it is drying to quick back off on the amount of sand you add into it. The more sand, the faster it kicks.

Throw in a couple window ACs. You'll have to mix it wetter, though, as the ACs suck the humidity out.

Maybe a swamp cooler would be ideal???

[JasonW]

Real plaster can be a pain. If you notice it is drying to quick back off on the amount of sand you add into it. The more sand, the faster it kicks.

No sand in this mix. Just Hydrated lime and gauging plaster.

Throw in a couple window ACs. You'll have to mix it wetter, though, as the ACs suck the humidity out.

Maybe a swamp cooler would be ideal???

AC would be great as long as the humidity level did get too low. I just don't have enough of them to cool the place. Not sure they would appreciate the electric bill either. lol

We had perfect conditions yesterday but we had to clean up all day. Just my luck! Today has been planned out to do a porch roof and it's pouring rain outside. :censored:

This is the chart I follow for the finish plaster drying conditions.

[JasonW]

Plaster is finished on 3 walls now. Getting primer on the walls and doing touch ups. The Architect will come tomorrow to approve the finish and then we'll have the painter there next week.

Making the picture molding today and tomorrow. Just one wall left to do now. The only thing better than getting a nice big plaster job is finishing the nice big plaster job!:surrender:

Oh, and yes, that is pink on the walls. I don't pick the colors...

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[Leo G]

If it's historic it is not pink, it's Salmon. That way you don't have to tell someone you painted the walls pink :laugh3:

[JasonW]

If it's historic it is not pink, it's Salmon. That way you don't have to tell someone you painted the walls pink :laugh3:

Good idea!:idea: I'll just hide the B/M cans that say "Bridal Pink" on them...;)

[Leo G]

Bridal Pink :rolleyes:

[DavidC]

Looking good Jason. Our office is salmon. Many have called it pink but the survivors call it salmon now. Wife will not be in on the color selection next time.

Good Luck
Dave

[JasonW]

Looking good Jason. Our office is salmon. Many have called it pink but the survivors call it salmon now. Wife will not be in on the color selection next time.

Good Luck
Dave

"Survivors" :laugh3: Is that a new color in the office? I don't remember it being that color when I stopped in last summer. If it was "Salmon" I can't believe I let that get by me without saying something!:grin:

[Leo G]

David has a girly office :laugh3:

[DavidC]

"Survivors" :laugh3: Is that a new color in the office? I don't remember it being that color when I stopped in last summer. If it was "Salmon" I can't believe I let that get by me without saying something!:grin:

That's the beauty of a good friend, they'll turn a blind eye for you.

Good Luck
Dave

[OGStilts]

David has a girly office :laugh3:

Naaa, he just wanted to coordinate with his underwear. :grin:

[Absolute Basements]

Man, I don't envy you there.
I can't stand getting that dirty working on a bunch of old junk.
Guess thats why we have Remodelers and Renovation Specialists.
You can have that stuff.

[JasonW]

Man, I don't envy you there.
I can't stand getting that dirty working on a bunch of old junk.
Guess thats why we have Remodelers and Renovation Specialists.
You can have that stuff.

Well, I can tell you there's a great feeling you get when you do things to buildings that were built over 100 years ago that will make it last at least another 100 years.

Even though some people may not understand or care about these historic buildings and not care about the craft that makes this stuff last, I take great pleasure in knowing this will be here long after I pass.

In remodeling, you'll be lucky to see your stuff still there in 15 years. In most cases it will still be there because they can't afford to get rid of it. Preservation of old buildings has a timeless appreciation by many. Remodeling is always subject to the latest and greatest craze and that's not what I want to spend my time worrying about.

And BTW, I don't get that dirty because I know what I'm doing. You probably get more covered in dust by doing drywall. With plaster, there is no sanding.

[DavidC]

Naaa, he just wanted to coordinate with his underwear. :grin:

That's just Tuesday nights. It's just silly to think I'd paint the office for one night a week.

Jason, I've played with plastering a very little bit and have an appreciation for what you're doing. Seems to me it's more of an art than drywall. There is one guy here that specializes in plaster work and he's in demand.

We have so many historic vintage buildings in the area that have been cut up into apartments and "modernized". Sad waste.

Good Luck
Dave

[Greg from K/W]

Naaa, he just wanted to coordinate with his underwear. :grin:

I am really disturbed that you even know his underwear are pink to begin with. Or that you would even admit that you saw them in the first place. O.G.

:grin::laugh3:

[Snobnd]

Well, I can tell you there's a great feeling you get when you do things to buildings that were built over 100 years ago that will make it last at least another 100 years.

Even though some people may not understand or care about these historic buildings and not care about the craft that makes this stuff last, I take great pleasure in knowing this will be here long after I pass.

In remodeling, you'll be lucky to see your stuff still there in 15 years. In most cases it will still be there because they can't afford to get rid of it. Preservation of old buildings has a timeless appreciation by many. Remodeling is always subject to the latest and greatest craze and that's not what I want to spend my time worrying about.

And BTW, I don't get that dirty because I know what I'm doing. You probably get more covered in dust by doing drywall. With plaster, there is no sanding.


So true, I love to drive by the first Garage i ever built back in 1988 still looks good ( I might stop and take a picture next time)

[Leo G]

Oh can you please tell us the story of your garage and what you had to go through to get it approved? please please please....:rolleyes:

:laugh3:

[Snobnd]

Here you go Leo ( I did a new post)

Sorry to the OP....you may continue.

http://www.remodelcrazy.com/forum/showthread.php?p=155012#post155012

[JasonW]

Last wall plastered today. Finished pics coming next week!

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[JasonW]

Lobby area

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Congregation

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[kornerking]

I don't understand. All this work and you are leaving.

[JasonW]

I don't understand. All this work and you are leaving.

I drove 5 hours a day for 10 weeks in order to get this work. Nothing lined up for fall 2nd year in a row, Winter is always dead in Vermont, nuff said. :mad2::surrender:

I can't make a living working 5 months a year and traveling these distances.

[kornerking]

So this was a short term project. It was sounding like you had several lined up that you needed to finish.

That said you have seen the cycle's and are probably smart to go to greener pastures.

Nothing wrong with moving on.

[JasonW]

I've got a few days to wrap up one last project and it's all finished up. Nothing after that and when your traveling so far to get the work theirs not too much left in the bank to survive on.

The skills I've learned marketing to 600,000 people in 80,000 different towns throughout Vermont will be time well spent once I get into a city with 1 million+. I'm sure of that.

[DavidC]

Awesome work Jason. Thanks for the pics.

Sounds like you're loads busier in Ohio already.

Good Luck
Dave

[mmbuilds]

I can't believe how great of an artisan you are! You are doing a truly wonderful service by helping to preserve what some may consider an "art". I took a class at Drew University in NJ toward my Historic Preservation Certificate about plaster. It's not the easiest thing to do and if you do it long enough, you become a master at it! Thanks for doing your part toward preserving the past so that many may enjoy it for years to come!

[lynnb]

I know the pictures are from a while ago but I just wanted to say that you do good work Jason.

[Absolute Basements]

Careful....He'll want his own trophy to polish pretty soon......:)

[DavidC]

It would be well deserved and finished with plaster and lath. (Is it just my area or does everybody say it backwards?)

Jason takes a lost art and breathes a bit of life into it. A true hands on artisan in his field.

Good Luck
Dave

[Absolute Basements]

I agree completely, David.
BTW, around here, the few who even know what it is, call it lath and plaster.

[SLS-Construction]

Plaster & Lath is all I have heard & dare I say his work is worthy of a trophy - fortunatly though we won't have to worry about him picking out a large watch, it would probably interfere with the work

[afkama]

Lath and plaster here.
That sequence makes the most sense to me.

[WarriorWithWood]

Plaster & Lath is all I have heard & dare I say his work is worthy of a trophy - fortunatly though we won't have to worry about him picking out a large watch, it would probably interfere with the work

I don't think his limp wrist is capable of handling a watch like that. :D

[JasonW]

I know the pictures are from a while ago but I just wanted to say that you do good work Jason.

I appreciate the kind words, thank you. I don't post much at this forum anymore but if you would like to see some of our current projects search Historic House Restoration on Facebook. I'm in Ohio now.