Whole house gut and remodel in North-Central WV

[ParamountPaint]

This could perhaps become the second longest running thread on this forum, as it is a spare-time project, but nonetheless...

[nEighter]

Do et!! Pics!!

[ParamountPaint]

I closed on this house last week:

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN0433_640x480.jpg

Amongst other things, the interior is pretty well not-so-good. Here is the master BR:

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN0386_640x480.jpg

I have decided to start here, so I began by tearing down the ceiling tiles:

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/DSCN0908_640x480.jpg

Well...turns out that someone has dropped the ceiling in the past. The house has original 10' ceilings, much to my surprise:

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/DSCN0911_640x480.jpg

[ParamountPaint]

After a little more demo, I have this:

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN0944_640x480.jpg

Everything uncovered thus far is framed on 2' centers. Also, beneath a layer of paneling and one of drywall, I have 3/4" oak T&G as a wall finish. I have decided to only remove the T&G on the exterior walls for insulating and wiring purposes. The interior T&G will be covered over.

I think someone built this house almost entirely out of oak. Must have been plentiful and cheap back in the day.

Guess people didn't believe in headers, either:

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN0947_640x480.jpg

I can't really figure what holds these windows in, because there is nothing at the bottom, either. I guess they're fastened to the exterior stone or wood in some fashion that I have not yet discerned.

Anyway, here is my current debris pile, which I need to load up since I have filled the living room:

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN0941_640x480.jpg

[nEighter]

man your place looks like mine! :D

[ParamountPaint]

To be continued (maybe next week..who knows???)

[ParamountPaint]

man your place looks like mine! :D

Luckily, I don't have to live there. I couldn't deal with living around the mess, but maybe I would be more motivated to finish if that was the case. I hope it doesn't come to that, but who knows?

[afkama]

Guess people didn't believe in headers, either:

That's the kind of stuff I think of when I hear people say:

"They sure built them better in the old days."

[ParamountPaint]

That's the kind of stuff I think of when I hear people say:

"They sure built them better in the old days."

It makes you wonder, for sure. This old guy next door claimed that this house is from the 1800's. The exterior sheeting is also T&G oak that seems to be 1+" thick.

I suspect the house is from the 20's, myself, and it has definitely been hacked up for the past 90 years.

[Bodger]

Venice CA (and elsewhere, I've just remodeled more there) has a lot of houses that were built on foundations that weren't even keyed into the ground. they just set forms on the dirt and poured away.

Also, 1/2" X 4" shiplap redwood novelty siding right on the studs. No paper, no insulation.
Overlapped and sistered ceiling joists all over the place.If it wasn't long enough, just stitch them together and keep on nailing.

[afkama]

built on foundations that weren't even keyed into the ground. they just set forms on the dirt and poured away.



I owned a house with foundations like that once. They didn't even bother with forms, just dug a ditch. I could tell that they probably hand mixed as well - there were cold joints all over the place. They also used the frame and other steel parts from a model T for rebar.

Not to mention the point load at the center of the house that was pushing the post through the beam.

[Splinter]

hah! sounds like my house which Im in the middle of rebuilding right now.. It's an 1862 farmhouse and the brick foundation is just set on the sandy dirt.... 4x6 main beam resting on locust posts that were just stuck in the dirt. The weight drove them down a few inches over the last 150 years.

[ParamountPaint]

I kinda feel like something that is still standing in decent shape after that amount of time might not have been built so badly after all.

Current practice, notwithstanding

[nEighter]

I owned a house with foundations like that once. They didn't even bother with forms, just dug a ditch. I could tell that they probably hand mixed as well - there were cold joints all over the place. They also used the frame and other steel parts from a model T for rebar.

Not to mention the point load at the center of the house that was pushing the post through the beam.

that is blasphemy right there!! :(

[afkama]

that is blasphemy right there!! :(

Although when that house was built the Model T wasn't an antique yet.:grin:

[Dusty]

I kinda feel like something that is still standing in decent shape after that amount of time might not have been built so badly after all.

Current practice, notwithstanding

Of course you fellas know much more then I, but I believe what holds these old houses together is the simple fact that they used 'old' wood. These old houses were built with lumber produced from naturally grown 100+ year old trees. That lumber was far superior then what is being milled today.

Call the county recorder's office. They can tell you exactally when that house was built, who built it, what the original selling price was, etc...

[Bodger]

Of course you fellas know much more then I, but I believe what holds these old houses together is the simple fact that they used 'old' wood. These old houses were built with lumber produced from naturally grown 100+ year old trees. That lumber was far superior then what is being milled today.

Call the county recorder's office. They can tell you exactally when that house was built, who built it, what the original selling price was, etc...


It's amazing how you can cut through an old 2 X 4 and immediately smell the pine again. And look at the growth rings and see how tight they are compared to the new lumber.

I demolished a closet a few years ago and found that the shelves were 18" wide and 6' long and were one solid plank of old growth dog fir. Still straight as a beggar could spit.

[ParamountPaint]

Managed to load up the master bedroom debris and half a bathroom:

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN0958_640x480.jpg

Very gradual progress...I worked a paying job for 11 hours and went over here afterwards for another 2 to get the junk cleaned out. Now I've got the LR open for more stuff.

[ParamountPaint]

I've gotten a few more things done over there. I finished gutting the bathroom, eliminated all the garbage shelving in the garage, knocked down a drop ceiling, tore some paneling off some basement walls, mowed the grass and filled up another trailer.

Bathroom:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1012_640x480.jpg

Very bad framing:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1016_640x480.jpg

Back of garaged cleaned out:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1003_640x480.jpg

Basement paneling off:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1007_640x480.jpg

[ParamountPaint]

Cut out drop ceiling in other side of basement:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1004_640x480.jpg

Trailer filled again:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1021_640x480.jpg

The worst part of mowing this is dragging my stupid mower across town. It's touchy getting it up and down the ramps:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1022_640x480.jpg

[Eieio]

You need some plywood sides on that trailer atleast an extra 4' up..

[Bodger]

The worst part of mowing this is dragging my stupid mower across town. It's touchy getting it up and down the ramps:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1022_640x480.jpg



Kinda looks like a Shriner Parade. Fez can give you some tips there. :grin:

[Bodger]

Is it a dump trailer?

[ParamountPaint]

You need some plywood sides on that trailer at least an extra 4' up..

That would be ideal, but I'm just borrowing it, so I really just load what I can do in the weekend...I have to dump it and return it tomorrow.

[ParamountPaint]

Is it a dump trailer?

When the damn battery is charged up, it is.:grin:

[Bodger]

Seems like if you could back up to an embankment. that might lessen the steep on getting the mower in. That looks like a tricky ride right thar.

[ParamountPaint]

Seems like if you could back up to an embankment. that might lessen the steep on getting the mower in. That looks like a tricky ride right thar.

I need me a good embankment...I have one where I live that works well, but I can't find a good spot at this house.

[nEighter]

good progress man. I will feed of you and work on my place. I got my wood pile busted down today. I am trying to figure out what/how to build an exterior racking system that can house all my scraps and lock my ladders to it also. Got the behemouth out today (40'). I stood out in the yard to turn around with it.. understand how Oprah feels gettin around now! :laugh3:

[ParamountPaint]

good progress man. I will feed of you and work on my place. I got my wood pile busted down today. I am trying to figure out what/how to build an exterior racking system that can house all my scraps and lock my ladders to it also. Got the behemouth out today (40'). I stood out in the yard to turn around with it.. understand how Oprah feels gettin around now! :laugh3:

I don't know if you want to go off my progress...at this rate, I may finish sometime in 2013 or so:grin:. It's a bad time of year for side projects.

I don't own a 40' ladder and I'm happy for it. I used to move them about by myself, but I've got this bum wrist now and I would probably just drop the damn thing on someone's car.

Side note: The fire chief at the FD I painted was trying to sell me a triple-extension ladder. I didn't measure it, but it was mighty heavy. $200. I did take a picture, so if I can hunt it up, I'll post it.

EDIT: Pic found! This thing had outriggers of some sort, too:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/Steel%20building/DSCN0967_640x480.jpg

[framer55]

Looks like a 60'we. I used to own a 60' woody ladder. Took 3 men and 2 boys to stand it....

[Blue]

Luckily, I don't have to live there. I couldn't deal with living around the mess, but maybe I would be more motivated to finish if that was the case. I hope it doesn't come to that, but who knows?

We did that on our last two homes. Lived in the remodel.:surrender: The first one took 3 years and the second took 5. never a plan, just did one area at a time then redid a couple rooms! Made money on both but I will saw my arms off before doing it again.

I hate swinging a hammer. Now that it is cool for a man not to know how to change his own tire I am sort of jealous.

[ParamountPaint]

I can't think of a scenario where I would need such a beast. I can get a 100' lift, which could surely handle about anything (although I have painted from a crane basket in the past). Ladders of this size are useless for work, but I can see where firefighters could use one in an emergency...at least before they had the big ladder trucks.

I guess the fire department doesn't need it, either.

[ParamountPaint]

Since it rained today, I went and did some more stuff over there. Someone in the past had cut some floor joists to install one of those in-floor furnaces. That was causing about a 4" dip in the hallway, so I decided for now to install a beam until I get the subfloor torn out to sister new joists in:

Triple 2x8x12, which I deemed sufficient to support 2 cut joists:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1029_640x480.jpg

I have one side bearing on the block wall and the other is supported by a telepost for now. I also put a post in center. This is not the end result, but here is the process further along:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1031_640x480.jpg

No wonder the floor was so bad...look how far I had to go to get the beam flush with the joists along its length:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1036_640x480.jpg

[ParamountPaint]

I also got some framing straightened up in the master BR. I decided to do a tray ceiling, but I don't know if I'm gonna 45 the corners of the tray, yet. I was also considering leaving the beadboard exposed on the high part of the ceiling:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1041_640x480.jpg

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1042_640x480.jpg

After starting, I realized my soffit framing was pretty clunky, but it is definitely sturdy if nothing else. I have a bit to go in here. I still didn't mess with any of the framing around the windows yet. That'll have to wait until the next rain day.

[nEighter]

keep up the good work!

I have to get mine done and soon. I just decided to kick it into high gear, and I have some patches of break between jobs I need to work on my own stuff. I am moving everything out by friday night (going to see Eminem at Kanrocksus Music Festival) and sunday/monday is pulling my transmission out of the truck, changing the front input seal, putting in some goodies, and changing the trans oil.

LOL so yeah I hear you on having little time. Time and money at the same place at the same time is an urban legend. :)

[Dusty]

Since it rained today, I went and did some more stuff over there. Someone in the past had cut some floor joists to install one of those in-floor furnaces. That was causing about a 4" dip in the hallway, so I decided for now to install a beam until I get the subfloor torn out to sister new joists in:

Triple 2x8x12, which I deemed sufficient to support 2 cut joists:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1029_640x480.jpg

I have one side bearing on the block wall and the other is supported by a telepost for now. I also put a post in center. This is not the end result, but here is the process further along:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1031_640x480.jpg

No wonder the floor was so bad...look how far I had to go to get the beam flush with the joists along its length:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1036_640x480.jpg

That reminds me. I need to pick up a couple of jacks for my rental. Not sure how to fix the floor, but I can retard the sagging for now while I get other things done. Picked up the carpet yesterday so I get to install that this weekend. Hopefully I can get them at Toledo Plywood when I pick up that lag bolt you guys told me to get for the handrail and save myself trip to lowes. Need to go to a local store that has a clue so they can find me the correct bolt.

Is this your first investment property , Paramount?

[ParamountPaint]

Is this your first investment property , Paramount?

Actually, I'm feeling inclined to move here eventually. I'm growing fond of the old place.

[Dusty]

Actually, I'm feeling inclined to move here eventually. I'm growing fond of the old place.

I can understand that. Some homes have a way of embracing you.

[Blue]

Prolly the cleanest remod I have ever witnessed! I would have guessed you were already living in it. Keep the pics coming.:2thumbsup:

[Bodger]

After starting, I realized my soffit framing was pretty clunky, but it is definitely sturdy if nothing else. I have a bit to go in here. I still didn't mess with any of the framing around the windows yet. That'll have to wait until the next rain day.

It's only gotta hold sheetrock, looks fine to me.

[ChrWright]

Looking good. Keep them coming.

[ParamountPaint]

I decided to 45 the corners of my tray ceiling and put can lights in the center of each side:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1060_640x480.jpg

Had to get in the attic to put in that stupid fan box where the single bulb is dangling... was only up there about 10 minutes, but it damned near killed me. The whole master BR is now rewired and insulated (ready for drywall). I had to fix this hacked up closet doorway. Someone had just cut a hole in the side of the house with no regard for anything. I put in a header and reframed all of my closets for 36" doors:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1053_640x480.jpg

I also pulled up 3 layers of linoleum and some peel and stick tile. I've got this floor down to the original 1" T&G pine. I managed to demo the hallway and bathroom floor today also.

Another pic:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1052_640x480.jpg

[ParamountPaint]

Started cleaning up the hall and bath flooring and framing:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1064_640x480.jpg

I cut another wall out, somewhat against my better judgement. It seems easier just to get rid of as much old junk as possible:

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1069_640x480.jpg
This wall chunk is 3/4 oak planks and true 2x4s held together by wallpaper.


Floor joists leveled with 2x6 nailers:

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1072_640x480.jpg

I pulled lines both ways on this floor and it is now close to perfect. I wanted it nice and flat for tile purposes.

3/4" OSB:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1079_640x480.jpg

[ParamountPaint]

A little wall framing:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1084_640x480.jpg

This is kind of unfortunate because in order to maximize the bath size, I had to steal some space from the hallway and stairwell. I've got the bathroom up to 7' x 5.5', which I can work with (barely). Unfortunately, I'm going to have to use a 26" door to the stairway, and that is close to the width of the stairs.

I'm pretty pleased that I have all the floors planing out. It looks like the kitchen will be able to, also.

[nEighter]

damn. Doing a good job. It makes me think I need to level my floor :( I don't want to though. I have done A LOT to my place as far as getting things like the rim joist fixed and some other little BIG details. I am not sure I want to go through the trouble of leveling my interior floors due to the fact that the foundation still moves with the seasons.

Keep it up man! You will have this done in no time. What are your plans for the ceiling/wall joints for the ceiling of yours?

[ParamountPaint]

I've framed the bathroom ceiling at a flat 8'. I've been working with a bathroom vendor, and I now have a layout planned with a 4x3 shower with full glass, body sprays and a rain head. It was tough, until I gained that extra little bit of space. I did order my shower faucet and rough today ($700).

It is somewhat easier to make decisions now that I have determined that I am going to live there. I kinda just buy and do whatever suits me, rather than worry about resale and ROI.

[Bodger]

Have the inspectors been friendly so far?

[ParamountPaint]

I wouldn't know, since they do not exist in this locale

[afkama]

I wouldn't know, since they do not exist in this locale

That explains a lot of the stuff you have uncovered.

[ParamountPaint]

I am not opposed to any feedback of ways that I could better do things. I know I've done a couple things so far that could raise some eyebrows, namely the lacking headers in the windows and the bath floor. The headers were an executive decision, after I checked the top plate for deflection.

I decided that if it hasn't deflected in 100 years, it's not likely going anywhere soon. True 2x double plates with 1x oak skip sheeting seems to hold it's own.

There is not a good excuse for my sloppy floor repair. I was just kinda lazy. It is not as bad as it looks, because the joists are level from left to right. They just had a 1/2 bow in the center of a 16' span. I had also put a beam underneath, so I just scabbed on the 2x6 to eliminate the bow. I also put in some Simpson hardware here and there.

[SLS-Construction]

I am not opposed to any feedback of ways that I could better do things. I know I've done a couple things so far that could raise some eyebrows, namely the lacking headers in the windows and the bath floor. The headers were an executive decision, after I checked the top plate for deflection.

I decided that if it hasn't deflected in 100 years, it's not likely going anywhere soon. True 2x double plates with 1x oak skip sheeting seems to hold it's own.

There is not a good excuse for my sloppy floor repair. I was just kinda lazy. It is not as bad as it looks, because the joists are level from left to right. They just had a 1/2 bow in the center of a 16' span. I had also put a beam underneath, so I just scabbed on the 2x6 to eliminate the bow. I also put in some Simpson hardware here and there.

No worries as we love to critique, but as for the headers, they probably were not needed as it is balloon framed

The floor may not be the prettiest but it works, especially if you glued it together

Just my .02

[ParamountPaint]

I wasn't being defensive or anything...I would just welcome any useful ideas. Lord knows it's hard to think of everything by yourself.

*Yep..the floor has a good bit of PL adhesive in it now.

[Bodger]

Well, looks like you're doing it right and don't need inspectors anyway. What a difference from where I live. Probably cost twice as much to what you're doing. Not to mention $1.8 mil for the house to begin with.

It's good that you plan to live there a while.

[afkama]

Well, looks like you're doing it right and don't need inspectors anyway. What a difference from where I live. Probably cost twice as much to what you're doing. Not to mention $1.8 mil for the house to begin with.

It's good that you plan to live there a while.

It's been quite a few years since I worked somewhere that didn't have a building dept. (Rock Springs Wyoming)

That was a pretty scary experience. The people that were building their own houses were conscientious, but the developers were doing some very nasty stuff and then covering it up as fast as they could. A lot of them didn't see the point in rim joists.

I'm curious how many areas of the country don't have building depts.

I agree with the other comments here though. It doesn't look to me like you are doing a hack job and I am enjoying the project chronicle.

Great thread.

[ParamountPaint]

In WV, only the larger municipalities have building departments. Some other smaller towns require permits, but have no inspectors. I worked in one place where the job was shut down by the police chief, for lack of permit. No one involved in the project realized that a permit was needed and the jobs was 95% complete before it was mentioned.

Of course, there were no inspectors, so the permit was just a cash grab.

It's been quite a few years since I worked somewhere that didn't have a building dept. (Rock Springs Wyoming)

That was a pretty scary experience. The people that were building their own houses were conscientious, but the developers were doing some very nasty stuff and then covering it up as fast as they could. A lot of them didn't see the point in rim joists.

I'm curious how many areas of the country don't have building depts.

I agree with the other comments here though. It doesn't look to me like you are doing a hack job and I am enjoying the project chronicle.

Great thread.

[Bodger]

Developers in those rural areas must go hog nuts slapping up any old thing. No wonder some of these little towns get decimated in tornadoes.

[Blue]

Don't need headers in those areas. Wires would need a few more staples to pass. Again the good cleanliness is what gets me..good job so far.

Most of the municipalities here have building dept and require permits now. some of the towns pay other towns to do the inspections for them.

A homeowner can act as a GC here on their own property and do anything they want themselves but must first pass a very simple test.

[Bodger]

Don't need headers in those areas. Wires would need a few more staples to pass. Again the good cleanliness is what gets me..good job so far.

Most of the municipalities here have building dept and require permits now. some of the towns pay other towns to do the inspections for them.

A homeowner can act as a GC here on their own property and do anything they want themselves but must first pass a very simple test.


Same here.
The test is simple with questions like "How many illegal Mexicans does it take to do a crappy roofing job?"

[afkama]

Same here.
The test is simple with questions like "How many illegal Mexicans does it take to do a crappy roofing job?"

Worker's compensation insurance and safety policies are which of the following:

(1) Not my problem.

(2) Not part of my budget

(3) Huh?

[ParamountPaint]

Don't need headers in those areas. Wires would need a few more staples to pass. Again the good cleanliness is what gets me..good job so far.



Where do I need the staples? I'll put them in before I cover it up. I'm not too clear on the securing cables part of the code. I just know I need them within 6" of those plastic boxes and other then that, I just put them in when I think it will help.

[Blue]

Supposed to be secured as they enter through the top plate to the stud........why? I dont know

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[ParamountPaint]

Here is the original living room:

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN0385_640x480.jpg

Cutting down ceiling:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1090_640x480.jpg

Living room now:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1092_640x480.jpg

Just this room was 4,500 lbs of debris. I hauled three trailers of garbage out this weekend...close to 15,000 lbs!

Here is old living room meeting its final resting place:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1095_640x480.jpg

[ParamountPaint]

I broke the glass out of one of my sashes with some errant plaster. There is a big window that I would like some framing feedback on, but my pic of it didn't really turn out. I'll get another pic when I get back over there.

[nEighter]

Hey man nice pics! Is that your dumper trailer?

I need a huge dumpster right now. I have so much that is getting thrown away. I cannot wait for the next faze of my place getting done. It is a bitch to live in a remodel.

[ParamountPaint]

Hey man nice pics! Is that your dumper trailer?



Nah, I just borrow the trailer from another contractor. I'm going to finish the stuff I have torn up before I demo anything else.

[ParamountPaint]

Here is a window that doesn't look right:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1121_640x480.jpg

Now I know this is balloon framed and what not, but this is obviously way over-spanned with nothing. Surely I need some sort of header here. The issue is that I can't really jack it up much, or I will likely crack the exterior stone. Perhaps I could do an LVL header, but sit it tight against the top plate and shim where the gaps are???

It would be stabilized at least...I don't know. What would Jesus do?

[afkama]

Here is a window that doesn't look right:


Now I know this is balloon framed and what not, but this is obviously way over-spanned with nothing. Surely I need some sort of header here. The issue is that I can't really jack it up much, or I will likely crack the exterior stone. Perhaps I could do an LVL header, but sit it tight against the top plate and shim where the gaps are???

It would be stabilized at least...I don't know. What would Jesus do?

You could use steel hangers to support a header.

[Blue]

Hire a crane to swing a pool over it.

[kornerking]

Hey man nice pics! Is that your dumper trailer?

I need a huge dumpster right now. I have so much that is getting thrown away. I cannot wait for the next faze of my place getting done. It is a bitch to live in a remodel.

Without Pics I don't believe it.

[afkama]

to protect your house go to toollab.com

Thanks for the tip.

I've been considering applying a protective coating of spam to my house.

I'm sure the site you mentioned will be an excellent source.

[SLS-Construction]

Here is a window that doesn't look right:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1121_640x480.jpg

Now I know this is balloon framed and what not, but this is obviously way over-spanned with nothing. Surely I need some sort of header here. The issue is that I can't really jack it up much, or I will likely crack the exterior stone. Perhaps I could do an LVL header, but sit it tight against the top plate and shim where the gaps are???

It would be stabilized at least...I don't know. What would Jesus do?

What is above this? Just the roof, gable or hip?

[ParamountPaint]

What is above this? Just the roof, gable or hip?

Gable:

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN0436_640x480.jpg

The window on the right.

[SLS-Construction]

Well I can't see above it, and have no idea on the stone work, but it looks like the 2x is still level & even if it was supporting any load it would be minimal. Got an inside shot of the attic area?

With that said - IRC table 502.5 is 2 - 2x6 with either header hangers or 1 jack stud for that area & I would just trim the criples & attach it. For insulation I would add 1/2 or 1" foam on the top depending on the actual dimensions of the 2x

[naptownCr]

Why would you need a header under a gable. If it is true rafters there is no load other than the weight of the wall. The stone should have a lintel to support it. now a structural ridge would be another story but not generally done in this vintage home.

[ParamountPaint]

I'll have to climb up in the attic and investigate further. Maybe it is alright after all, but that is why I asked.

[SLS-Construction]

Why would you need a header under a gable. If it is true rafters there is no load other than the weight of the wall. The stone should have a lintel to support it. now a structural ridge would be another story but not generally done in this vintage home.

I agree, that is why I asked for the inside shot - I also forgot to add "If you are really worried about it" before the prescriptive code

:beer: This ones on me

[nEighter]

Thanks for the tip.

I've been considering applying a protective coating of spam to my house.

I'm sure the site you mentioned will be an excellent source.

WHAT IS THAT STUFF MADE FROM!?!!?!!! :surrender:

[naptownCr]

WHAT IS THAT STUFF MADE FROM!?!!?!!! :surrender:

The parts rejected from making scrapple

[ParamountPaint]

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1157_640x480.jpg

I stole another 4 inches from the living room to add to the bathroom...I wish I'd have decided that from the start.

Ugly old archway to kitchen:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1143_640x480.jpg

New, five foot doorway to kitchen:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1151_640x480.jpg

Yeah, I put a header above that window I asked about earlier. I don't know why, but it wasn't a big issue and I like it better now.

Anyway, I am now done with my framing and electrical on this section, which I'll call "phase 1." Tomorrow, I'll finish insulating and get my plumbing roughed in so I can close up the walls.

One more pic:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1158_640x480.jpg

[ParamountPaint]

Shower pan pre-slope:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1170_640x480.jpg

Liner installed:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1174_640x480.jpg

I actually finished the pan today, but didn't take a finish pic. I've gotten pretty busy with paying work and my progress has slowed even more. Nonetheless, my plumbing is finished and the shower will be tile ready as soon as I cut in my niche and waterproof the walls. (and drywall, I suppose)

I bought Delta stuff with one of those XO jet modules and a six position selector. Rain head, handshower and jets.

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1172_640x480.jpg

[orson]

Why would you need a header under a gable. If it is true rafters there is no load other than the weight of the wall. The stone should have a lintel to support it. now a structural ridge would be another story but not generally done in this vintage home.

Headers are required on gable walls now to resist wind loads.

[naptownCr]

Headers are required on gable walls now to resist wind loads.
Seems dumb. Can you cite the portion of the code that requires this?

[bconley]

That sure is a clean job site! looks good.
What goes to the right of the shower where the plumbing is? cabinet, pedestal or console?
The stub outs look high like for a pedestal but too far apart.

[ParamountPaint]

That sure is a clean job site! looks good.
What goes to the right of the shower where the plumbing is? cabinet, pedestal or console?
The stub outs look high like for a pedestal but too far apart.

I roughed it for a vanity from Mansfield, but it has the additional value of being the correct dimensions for a pedestal from Mansfield, also. I haven't decided which one I am going with yet.

http://lg1.decorislandcontent.com/uploadedimages/standard/Mansfield-884.jpg

[nEighter]

I officially hate you. You are kicking my ass on this :)

Keep up the good work!

[FStephenMasek]

I hope you checked for asbestos & lead before all of that demolition work.

...used the frame and other steel parts from a model T for rebar.My brother is one of the top seismic & dynamics engineers. A few years ago, he had an old building X-rayed and could not make-out the reinforcing steel shape they were seeing. When they jack-hammered away some of teh concrete, they discovered that it was railroad track!

[ParamountPaint]

I hope you checked for asbestos & lead before all of that demolition work.

My brother is one of the top seismic & dynamics engineers. A few years ago, he had an old building X-rayed and could not make-out the reinforcing steel shape they were seeing. When they jack-hammered away some of teh concrete, they discovered that it was railroad track!

I'm sure there was/is plenty of lead and asbestos, but I am the homeowner and will do as I please. I did demo a 10" asbestos covered flu pipe and took it straight to the dump.

Coincidentally, much of the steel in this house IS railroad track. They used it everywhere. If you zoom in on an exterior pic, the gable vents on one of the sides are little train wheels. This house is in a mining community, so I'd imagine they scrounged whatever was laying about. I'll get a pic of some railroad track beams if I think of it.

[bosshog]

a clean site is an organized site. lol

[bosshog]

see you in the hospital some day with your asbestosis lung problems. Homeowner or not, you must abate asbestos properly. Think of all those cockroaches running around coughing. lol

[ParamountPaint]

I am not worried about my exposure to asbestos. I abated it by wrapping the whole thing with duct tape and knocking it down.

Regardless, here is a pic of the completed shower pan and what not. I cut a niche in, also. Now I need to hang some rock and waterproof the shower walls.

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1178_640x480.jpg

[Dusty]

a clean site is an organized site. lol

His overly clean worksite is discusting, isn't it?

[naptownCr]

yeah and what's that Blue level between the Billa's?:grin:

[ParamountPaint]

I keep my customer's sites even cleaner, which seems to be a big talking point with referrals. I guess it has become a habit, albeit a good one.

*don't talk trash on my Empire level...she's been very good to me:grin:

[bconley]

Are you tackling the drywall yourself?
That shower is going in a little early for the way I like to do things.
I know when its your own place things get done a little different.

[ParamountPaint]

Are you tackling the drywall yourself?
That shower is going in a little early for the way I like to do things.
I know when its your own place things get done a little different.

I don't know yet about the drywall. I'm inclined to let someone else do it, but I don't really have a timeline, so I might do it. FWIW, I wanted the shower in before the rock, but I didn't have any good reason for doing so. Probably just delaying a decision on hanging it myself or letting someone else.

This bathroom kept growing in size as I knocked walls down. I'll call it dynamic planning:grin:

[naptownCr]

*don't talk trash on my Empire level...she's been very good to me:grin:
I think I have one or two of those myself:surrender:

[ParamountPaint]

Laundry area quandary...

I had this in the basement:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1260_640x480.jpg

So I decided to make it the laundry area. I gutted all that garbage and ended up with this:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1261_640x480.jpg

I also acquired 5.5' of new base cabs from my cabinet guy for $100, so I'm going to use them here. I have 12.5' from the left wall to the wall I'm putting up (I know it would be better at 12', but I'm limited by the windows). Here's the cabinets:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1259_640x480.jpg

Here is where I am at at the moment. You can see the drain to the right of the picture, so I was leaning toward putting the washing machine close to it. I also have a dryer and a 24" laundry tub, plus the 5.5' of base cabs.

What order would make the most sense for this stuff, i.e. cabs, tub, washer, dryer (left to right)? I can move the copper wherever, but I'm stuck with the drain. I was going to yank a window sash to exhaust the dryer, but if I really need to, I can find someone to core through the block and stone.

Here it is (incomplete):
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1263_640x480.jpg

[afkama]

nice score on the cabinets!

[WarriorWithWood]

What order would make the most sense for this stuff, i.e. cabs, tub, washer, dryer (left to right)? I can move the copper wherever, but I'm stuck with the drain. I was going to yank a window sash to exhaust the dryer, but if I really need to, I can find someone to core through the block and stone.


Why can't you vent through the rim joist? Is it a stone veneer?

I would set it up from right to left, sink, washer, dryer, cabinets. Are you putting any uppers in?

[ParamountPaint]

Why can't you vent through the rim joist? Is it a stone veneer?

I would set it up from right to left, sink, washer, dryer, cabinets. Are you putting any uppers in?

It is stone veneer...the veneer stones are about 4" thick.
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN0431_640x480.jpg

I do have a bunch of white upper cabinets that I got somewhere back in the day. I may or may not use one or two in the laundry area.

[ParamountPaint]

Here is what I did:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1270_640x480.jpg

From right to left will be dryer, washer, laundry tub then cabinets. I raised the area for the washer and dryer because I hate bending over to get stuff out of dryers. I will finish framing the platform, insulate and hopefully hang rock before too long.

[SLS-Construction]

Looking good & smart choice on the platform - back to the dryer vent question, drilling / coring it out is the best option (smaller runs - quicker drying / less chance of blockages)

Depending on the location & the stone you can buy the appropriate sized bit or drill multiple small holes & chisel it out

[bconley]

My rental yard has core drilling bits as does my plumber, they will go through that sandstone? in a heartbeat.

[Blue]

How are you venting the drains?

[ParamountPaint]

How are you venting the drains?

I have an AAV on the utility sink drain, but off to the right of the picture the kitchen drain ties in from upstairs...it is vented through the roof.

[Blue]

Ahh. That will work. I have had those auto vents pass on an island but it like pulling teeth.

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[nEighter]

Looking damn good. How much you have into it at this point?

I am ordering a roll off dumpster at the end of next week for my place. I am a bit behind...

[ParamountPaint]

Looking damn good. How much you have into it at this point?

I'm not exactly sure where I'm at $$$ wise...I just haven't taken the time to go through it yet. I think I'm only around $4k in money outlay so far, plus the $64K I paid for the place.

I put the dryer vent through the wall with the help of an air chisel:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1271_640x480.jpg

I strategically located the vent along a crack in the stone, so I took the opportunity to chisel out the crack so I could re-point it:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1274_640x480.jpg

I also got rock delivered and hung the laundry area and the future master BR:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1277_640x480.jpg

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1275_640x480.jpg

[naptownCr]

Sweet Job.
Now when you contract Mesothelioma from the asbestos or forget to post progress pics from the project the owner of the Oriels would love to do business with you.
In looking at the coffered ceiling what was the factor in framing what I would call chicken ladders. Generally I always built them from OSB as it was easier to keep straight.

[ParamountPaint]

Sweet Job.
Now when you contract Mesothelioma from the asbestos or forget to post progress pics from the project the owner of the Oriels would love to do business with you.
In looking at the coffered ceiling what was the factor in framing what I would call chicken ladders. Generally I always built them from OSB as it was easier to keep straight.

I'm not certain why I did it that way, truth be told. I made the decision to coffer the ceiling on a Sat, so I went to the lumberyard on Sun to buy the stuff. I wanted to use metal studs, but they were not to be had on a Sunday.

OSB never occurred to me. Sometimes things get done a little funny on these intermittent side projects. What benefit would OSB have over metal studs for soffits? I generally like the metal because it is quick and straight.

[naptownCr]

I'm not certain why I did it that way, truth be told. I made the decision to coffer the ceiling on a Sat, so I went to the lumberyard on Sun to buy the stuff. I wanted to use metal studs, but they were not to be had on a Sunday.

OSB never occurred to me. Sometimes things get done a little funny on these intermittent side projects. What benefit would OSB have over metal studs for soffits? I generally like the metal because it is quick and straight.

Well OSB is inexpensive (notice how i avoided the word cheap)
If you rip it on a table saw it is straight. Minor or major wall discrepancies (not straight) are easily bridged giving a straight line on the coffer. It also takes a lot less time to build.

[WarriorWithWood]

When things are really out, I've ripped the osb to 1" long/wide then hung it, snapped a line and ripped it a second time. It was still faster then metal.

[ParamountPaint]

Laundry area mostly done:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1278_640x480.jpg

I have some trim to do, but it looks better than it did before I started:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1260_640x480.jpg

The washer/dryer are ugly and mismatched, but they are functioning ones that I scavenged up. I'll buy a matched set for here eventually.

[ParamountPaint]

Some current pics:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1294_640x480.jpg

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1296_640x480.jpg

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1299_640x480.jpg

Drywall-helper dog:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/DSCN1289_640x480.jpg

[Snobnd]

Going to CA to do a whole house remodel. 3bdr and 2 bath

[ParamountPaint]

I'm doing a bit of crown, gradually. I was experimenting with various ways of using 3 1/4" colonial base with 3 5/8" colonial crown (mainly because they are the least expensive) and came up with this:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1356_640x480.jpg

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1359_640x480.jpg

I'm not completely sold on the finished look, but I'm not going to tear it back down, either.

Living room crown complete:
http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1363_640x480.jpg

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad329/wvuslim/New%20to%20me%20house%201/DSCN1364_640x480.jpg

At some point, I'm going to have to replace that exterior door in the 3rd pic, but I'm feeling inclined to leave it alone for the winter.

[SLS-Construction]

Pretty cool looking & besides as long as you like it, that's all that matters